Is AS a destination airline now?
09-27-2022, 11:52 PM
#51
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Read the bottom note concerning the 5:15 ADG in the Executive Summary.
“Trips comprised of a single duty period are exempt from this provision (red eye/all-nighter turns for example).”
Delta does not have this bullish!t carve out. Those ANC all-nighters should be paying 10:30, not 7:30. Under the current Delta contract they would pay 10:30. I am starting to wonder if people are even noticing all of the “Easter Eggs” in this TA.
“Trips comprised of a single duty period are exempt from this provision (red eye/all-nighter turns for example).”
Delta does not have this bullish!t carve out. Those ANC all-nighters should be paying 10:30, not 7:30. Under the current Delta contract they would pay 10:30. I am starting to wonder if people are even noticing all of the “Easter Eggs” in this TA.
09-28-2022, 04:53 AM
#52
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Read the bottom note concerning the 5:15 ADG in the Executive Summary.
“Trips comprised of a single duty period are exempt from this provision (red eye/all-nighter turns for example).”
Delta does not have this bullish!t carve out. Those ANC all-nighters should be paying 10:30, not 7:30. Under the current Delta contract they would pay 10:30. I am starting to wonder if people are even noticing all of the “Easter Eggs” in this TA.
“Trips comprised of a single duty period are exempt from this provision (red eye/all-nighter turns for example).”
Delta does not have this bullish!t carve out. Those ANC all-nighters should be paying 10:30, not 7:30. Under the current Delta contract they would pay 10:30. I am starting to wonder if people are even noticing all of the “Easter Eggs” in this TA.
09-28-2022, 06:11 AM
#53
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09-28-2022, 07:08 AM
#54
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09-28-2022, 07:12 AM
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If anyones curious, look at line 431 in Seattle for October. It pays and credits 76:18. Until ADG is implemented as pay and credit in March, this line will pay 99:45 under the contract. December January and February, all those junior lines will pay in the high 90s until the credit is added in.
09-28-2022, 08:26 AM
#56
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It is total BS. ALPA and the company claim this TA is industry leading but then, in the fine print, there are a bunch these carve outs that completely water it down. Delta does not have a carve out like that in their contract language. Why should we? Answer: Alaska Discount. Sometime here in the near future Delta will ratify a contract where their narrow body rates will exceed those in this TA. At that time their narrow body pilots will make even more due to their superior work rules. The reason Alaska pilots never achieve the contract we deserve is because management knows we have accepted our position as second class citizens. Let’s fix this bullish!t!
09-28-2022, 08:27 AM
#58
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It is total BS. ALPA and the company claim this TA is industry leading but then, in the fine print, there are a bunch these carve outs that completely water it down. Delta does not have a carve out like this in their contract language. Why should we? Answer: Alaska Discount. Sometime, here in the near future, Delta will ratify a contract where their narrow body rates will exceed those in this TA. At that time their narrow body pilots will make even more due to their superior work rules. The reason Alaska pilots never achieve the contract we deserve is because management knows we have accepted our position as second class citizens. Let’s fix this bullish!t!
09-28-2022, 08:43 AM
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The NC, MEC did a great job, they just need our help finishing the deal.
Last edited by Rangerover; 09-28-2022 at 09:03 AM.
09-28-2022, 11:54 AM
#60
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If this TA is indeed the “1 NB contract” now, one would have to ask will this be the ceiling in which everyone else shoots for or will this be the bottom for which everyone starts? I think most know the answer but at the least the bottom has been benchmarked and we all thank you for setting the bar.
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