nene

What about how your vacation is paid? Do you get paid any trips that touch your vacation week? That and month/month conflict is the only advantages to line bidding that I miss vs PBS.

echelon

Nothing that gets dropped for any reason, including for touching vacation, is pay protected and we have to build our schedule back up to the minimum (usually 75, higher in flex months) by the end of our adjustment period lest the crew planners do it for you on their terms. Vacation can very easily be more of an annoyance than anything else since anything it forces to drop has to be made up elsewhere in the month and there may not be a convenient "elsewhere."

nene

Wow, in that case I'm surprised most don't want PBS, it would allow senior folk the ability to tailor their schedule right from the get go. Trip touching/paid dropping was really the only part of line bidding I miss.

echelon

I think most people DO want PBS, provided it's done right and it appears that with ALPA controlling it it will be.

9mikemike

The background to PBS at Alaska is this: We got to watch Alaska fumble the PBS ball badly with the FA’s when they voted it in. We have been agreeable to PBS for the last 3 contract cycles but not done the Alaska Airlines discount way…The company walked away from it every time. The FA’s are still getting screwed by Alaska’s frequent bungling of PBS. They have had PBS for 13 plus years. With no structural framework changes to our contract in this TA, no penalty clauses for the ongoing careless application of our current or future contracts, no retroactive pay provisions permanently negotiated in this TA, we can plan on years of fighting with management over PBS. We can also plan on years of unprecedented grievances as the mid-level management worms eat holes through this TA…

Jet J

Do you mean no penalties for a lack of implementation of PBS? Or no penalties for management messing with schedules in PBS?

There is a penalty in place for lack of implementation on the specified date. And ALPA will play a major role in building the schedules.

nene

Seems like from the above posts, mgmt has all the "savings" they would be looking for in implementing PBS, ie trip conflicts getting paid for vacation, carryover and training. Probably little in it now for mgmt (possibly even more cost and aggravation) to implement PBS.

PBS was the tool other majors used during the majors BK contracts to extract those conflict savings of line bidding.

Akutan Bandit

Watching you AS people try and get hired at other carriers was funny back in the 2000's. Nobody at mainline Air Group tried to help the team at Horizon, but you sure tried to help yourselves.

Now that the job market is so tight that other carrier HR dept's would consider a mutineer coming over, I see you are still desperate to jump ship. Now you have to consider all kinds of crosswinds, seniority issues, and a real recession it would seem that the complaining might dissipate, but instead there is talk on the boards of higher and higher pay rates. Now that global warming is a real thing wouldn't you think the job you have is better than what you should have, and maybe you should feel blessed to have taken from the commons more than you likely deserved, and now is the time to count your blessings rather than *****ing up a storm?

What a group. Most of you haven't even lived or worked in Alaska. Good luck getting what you think is owed to you, and good luck caring for the communities and families with which you identify.

NotTellin

Who urinated in your Weaties?

Akutan Bandit

AS.

I couldn't flush my urine down the toilet in Bethel after the Combie's took all the water from the airport for ballast. Couldn't wash my hands either. Then my CP's wife got sick because we didn't have basic hygiene at the terminal.

What a wonderful ambassador for the State of their namesake.