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09-23-2022, 05:52 PM
#61
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 1,241
Lonesomesky’s list… A lot of that will be missing, You will solidly be a no vote. Maybe that is your wish list but not the polled AS pilot wish list… Scope, Union controlled PBS, more flexibility, holiday pay, day guarantee, the pay below, schmuck clause, per diem bump, bonus, scheduling integrity incentives.
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Really😂
One was saying he was a solid no🙄, It’s always been the big 5 average…. Only the big 3, DA, UA, AA will be the ones doing the heavy lifting. The rest of us will be raised to their tides
I hope your embarrassed… are you kidding me🙄🙄🙄. I gave you all the cliff notes a month before the contract was out.
09-23-2022, 06:00 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Captain
Posts: 327
There are definitely quality of life improvements in this TA. So we vote it in and everyone else gets a massive raise… great we get a raise as well. What exactly is so bad work rules wise in this contract?? Alpa controlled pairing construction? PBS? Wider credit window? Improved trading?
09-23-2022, 06:01 PM
#64
What's a weekend?
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Widget FO
Posts: 485
The bonuses are way too low compared to what the retro should be. Seems like a smack in the face for many. Work rules don’t seem drastically improved, still seems subpar to the neighbors in SEA/other carriers. Flexibility seems improved but seems pretty vague. Reserve marginally better. Commuting policies didn’t change for the many who commute. DC barely went up. Vacation needs more change still an issue of use it or lose it. Compensation isn’t the biggest factor. I am more worried about everything else.
09-23-2022, 06:02 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 70
09-23-2022, 06:05 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 910
Vacation accrual is untouched. It's still the slowest progression per day in the industry.
Reserves get 6 extra days off PER YEAR. Not acceptable.
The snap-up is worded in a way that is designed to be ineffective.
No red-eye override.
200% premium is limited to a maximum of 3 months per year at company discretion.
Scope ratio of 1:2.35 is really bad.
There's sure to be more, but this was not the moonshot that we were promised.
Reserves get 6 extra days off PER YEAR. Not acceptable.
The snap-up is worded in a way that is designed to be ineffective.
No red-eye override.
200% premium is limited to a maximum of 3 months per year at company discretion.
Scope ratio of 1:2.35 is really bad.
There's sure to be more, but this was not the moonshot that we were promised.
09-23-2022, 06:07 PM
#68
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 33
Vacation accrual is untouched. It's still the slowest progression per day in the industry.
Reserves get 6 extra days off PER YEAR. Not acceptable.
The snap-up is worded in a way that is designed to be ineffective.
No red-eye override.
200% premium is limited to a maximum of 3 months per year at company discretion.
There's sure to be more, but this was not the moonshot that we were promised.
Reserves get 6 extra days off PER YEAR. Not acceptable.
The snap-up is worded in a way that is designed to be ineffective.
No red-eye override.
200% premium is limited to a maximum of 3 months per year at company discretion.
There's sure to be more, but this was not the moonshot that we were promised.
09-23-2022, 06:15 PM
#69
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
SEA, PDX, ANC will hold this vote by more then 90%. I think it will fail in both SFO and LAX. SFO will likely fail 30 to 70 percent, LAX will be about a 50/50 vote… Dude I know the numbers. I haven’t talked to one SEA based pilot voting against it… but they are out there… probably 140 ish no’s in SEA
more than…
09-23-2022, 06:18 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 658
Lots of good things in here but is it the once-in-a-career contract we would be swinging for in this unprecedented pilot market? No.
As a 6 year FO, I should be getting in the ballpark of $~55k of retro back to 4/1/2020. A $22k bonus isn't even close.
I didn't see a WOCL override?
Vacation at 3:45/day isn't much of an improvement, tbh.
Reserves are now "required to check their schedule" when they get back to base?? What?? So now we have to help this company @@@@ us? Why are we giving up ANY of the control we have over our lives?
Overall, at first glance of the summary, it's not terrible. It's collectively a big improvement over status quo but that barely means anything given the garbage under which we currently work. It basically reaches the industry bar in some areas (not all), and raises it in none.
We can do better. And they owe me a hell of a lot more than $22k for the shenanigans they've pulled for the last 2.5 years (not even counting the slope they never negotiated following the JCBA).
As a 6 year FO, I should be getting in the ballpark of $~55k of retro back to 4/1/2020. A $22k bonus isn't even close.
I didn't see a WOCL override?
Vacation at 3:45/day isn't much of an improvement, tbh.
Reserves are now "required to check their schedule" when they get back to base?? What?? So now we have to help this company @@@@ us? Why are we giving up ANY of the control we have over our lives?
Overall, at first glance of the summary, it's not terrible. It's collectively a big improvement over status quo but that barely means anything given the garbage under which we currently work. It basically reaches the industry bar in some areas (not all), and raises it in none.
We can do better. And they owe me a hell of a lot more than $22k for the shenanigans they've pulled for the last 2.5 years (not even counting the slope they never negotiated following the JCBA).
