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09-30-2022, 03:54 PM
#391
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,656
this is true and it’s a major issue I have the difference is Delta has a Hub to Hub/max stage length limitation on their regional network. The entire issue of the 89k vs 86k is it’s ability to be able to do a midcon in the dead of winter west bound without limitations. I routinely had to boot pax or bags doing them in an 86k jet vs what that extra 3k can give. The other factor is intro Alaska where there was a lot of bags/cargo that now won’t be limited. It’s not ok at any airline but the significance of it at Alaska is more pronounced than it is at Delta.
09-30-2022, 04:07 PM
#392
Isn’t that a sauce?
Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 280
That was originally Northwest Airlines scope language and was grand fathered in during the Delta merger.
Many of the outside posters on here throwing shade at this TA truly don’t understand how far the MEC had to climb to and the unity the had to rally to achieve this. Kudos to them because the Alaska CBA truly was horrendous.
Many of the outside posters on here throwing shade at this TA truly don’t understand how far the MEC had to climb to and the unity the had to rally to achieve this. Kudos to them because the Alaska CBA truly was horrendous.
09-30-2022, 04:22 PM
#393
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: NYC 330
Posts: 484
Well all the pilots' union presidents are checking in on one another.
Delta just sent a strike authorization ballot out.
Southwest is gonna go to the matresses because their management is asleep in the cockpit or worse. Herb Kelleher is NOT resting in peace right now, I can tell you that from the Simple Flying articles I read on the crisis.
United and American aren't far behind.
Swift and JetBlue... going to be interesting.
Everybody's hoping Alaska's TA gets ratified. It solves many of Alaska's problems and will put a boot in the a$$ of the other airlines to get to a deal instead of stall, sleep or whatnot. SWAPA's Casey Murray can't be everywhere doing tiger stuff, you know?
If I had a vote I'd pass this TA with a smile. The economy is about to go the wrong way. This deal has a good scope deal. This deal ends the Alaska discount. This deal fixes scheduling. This TA will end the nonsense and put a boot up management's a$$ to take care of the angels in back quickly. Alaska Airlines can then just smirk and smile and salute as Southwest Airlines gets into more trouble.
Oh and Delta Air Lines? Let 'em Airbust into a beautiful pilot's strike during a recession. Yeah, that'll be fun to watch next year as their stock price crashes. Maybe Delta Air Lines will be so devalued a certain Seattle airline with labor peace and honour can buy them out and clean house.
Delta just sent a strike authorization ballot out.
Southwest is gonna go to the matresses because their management is asleep in the cockpit or worse. Herb Kelleher is NOT resting in peace right now, I can tell you that from the Simple Flying articles I read on the crisis.
United and American aren't far behind.
Swift and JetBlue... going to be interesting.
Everybody's hoping Alaska's TA gets ratified. It solves many of Alaska's problems and will put a boot in the a$$ of the other airlines to get to a deal instead of stall, sleep or whatnot. SWAPA's Casey Murray can't be everywhere doing tiger stuff, you know?
If I had a vote I'd pass this TA with a smile. The economy is about to go the wrong way. This deal has a good scope deal. This deal ends the Alaska discount. This deal fixes scheduling. This TA will end the nonsense and put a boot up management's a$$ to take care of the angels in back quickly. Alaska Airlines can then just smirk and smile and salute as Southwest Airlines gets into more trouble.
Oh and Delta Air Lines? Let 'em Airbust into a beautiful pilot's strike during a recession. Yeah, that'll be fun to watch next year as their stock price crashes. Maybe Delta Air Lines will be so devalued a certain Seattle airline with labor peace and honour can buy them out and clean house.
“If we pass this ****ty TA not only will we get shiny new jets but we will buy other airlines because of our “labor peace and honor” .
WTF!!
09-30-2022, 04:42 PM
#394
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,285
Lighten up, you're replying to a guy who is definitely not an AS or major airline pilot, and might not even be a pilot at all.
09-30-2022, 05:14 PM
#395
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: This side of the dirt.
Posts: 897
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Sorry peanut gallery…. Alaska pilots only.
Two things:
Here’s the full TA Language Link…. Read it. Take notes. Call your rep. Etc…
AND/OR
There is also on the site, a place to submit questions. So, submit questions!! Ask for clarification. Tell them it’s a POS TA and that we shouldn’t take anything less than 550/hr…. Whatever you got…. Throw it at em.
Sorry peanut gallery…. Alaska pilots only.
Two things:
Here’s the full TA Language Link…. Read it. Take notes. Call your rep. Etc…
AND/OR
There is also on the site, a place to submit questions. So, submit questions!! Ask for clarification. Tell them it’s a POS TA and that we shouldn’t take anything less than 550/hr…. Whatever you got…. Throw it at em.
10-01-2022, 06:57 AM
#396
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 101
this is true and it’s a major issue I have the difference is Delta has a Hub to Hub/max stage length limitation on their regional network. The entire issue of the 89k vs 86k is it’s ability to be able to do a midcon in the dead of winter west bound without limitations. I routinely had to boot pax or bags doing them in an 86k jet vs what that extra 3k can give. The other factor is intro Alaska where there was a lot of bags/cargo that now won’t be limited. It’s not ok at any airline but the significance of it at Alaska is more pronounced than it is at Delta.
10-01-2022, 08:00 AM
#397
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 192
10-01-2022, 08:08 AM
#398
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 93
I’ve worked reserve at both Alaska and United and and they both sucked. United is slightly worse because they can convert you from long call to short call / field standby an unlimited amount of times. The Tumi TA would have just given us couple more credits if we got converted to airport, but the company could still do it ad nauseum.
under your proposed system, which is generally modeled off UA, reserve is still going to suck. It’s not going to be some massive QOL boost. The single best addition is getting aggressive pickup. At least you know what’s coming.
this is an industry standard TA, not leading by any means.
under your proposed system, which is generally modeled off UA, reserve is still going to suck. It’s not going to be some massive QOL boost. The single best addition is getting aggressive pickup. At least you know what’s coming.
this is an industry standard TA, not leading by any means.
10-02-2022, 04:23 AM
#399
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 110
Airline managements know the economy is going to tank, so they are offering weak TAs or none, waiting for a more favorable negotiating environment.
IOW, next year, we won't ask for concessions if you don't ask for a raise.
IOW, next year, we won't ask for concessions if you don't ask for a raise.
10-17-2022, 01:46 PM
#400
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 1,241
I have received a warning, if I don’t play nice, I might get permanently banned from APC. But yes, I will be there to watch the show. 🥃🥃🥃🍿🍿🍿
by the way 23 people have privately messaged me they are voting for the TA… not one no yet🤔
Our MEC had unprecedented polling numbers, they knew what the same 80% of adults wanted, remember you can’t fix crazy!
by the way 23 people have privately messaged me they are voting for the TA… not one no yet🤔
Our MEC had unprecedented polling numbers, they knew what the same 80% of adults wanted, remember you can’t fix crazy!
Once again, I am clueless
