TA is here
09-25-2022, 09:02 AM
#271
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 98
I’m gonna get flamed here as usual, but the ones that are a hard No just seem like they want to take take take.
While this the first airline negotiations/TA I have been through, I have been involved in many similar negotiations before. The point of all negotiations is for two parties to come together with a list of wants, and ultimately compromise on both sides to come to agreement. I think the MEC did well, and we actually came out far ahead in what if anything was compromised on versus what the company did.
Anyone just basing their decision off the little 8 page quick summary is doing themselves & the pilot group a disservice. There’s much more in the podcasts and on Alaskapilots.org.
For one I think ALPA now having full control over trip pairings in pretty revolutionary.
While this the first airline negotiations/TA I have been through, I have been involved in many similar negotiations before. The point of all negotiations is for two parties to come together with a list of wants, and ultimately compromise on both sides to come to agreement. I think the MEC did well, and we actually came out far ahead in what if anything was compromised on versus what the company did.
Anyone just basing their decision off the little 8 page quick summary is doing themselves & the pilot group a disservice. There’s much more in the podcasts and on Alaskapilots.org.
For one I think ALPA now having full control over trip pairings in pretty revolutionary.
Last edited by ChickenFinger; 09-25-2022 at 09:22 AM.
09-25-2022, 09:42 AM
#273
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,168
It’s my understanding that your going from line bidding to navblue pbs bidding. Is that correct? If that’s the case there should be a transition agreement loa included in the TA? The details of which are going to dictate the leverage or lack there of negotiators will have in eventually coming to a pbs agreement.
09-25-2022, 09:45 AM
#274
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 910
It’s my understanding that your going from line bidding to navblue pbs bidding. Is that correct? If that’s the case there should be a transition agreement loa included in the TA? The details of which are going to dictate the leverage or lack there of negotiators will have in eventually coming to a pbs agreement.
Implementation language with strong penalties for missed targets will be absolutely necessary.
09-25-2022, 09:48 AM
#275
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
09-25-2022, 09:53 AM
#276
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,168
I would look for protections in the transition agreement such as. No involuntary position reductions shall result from pbs implementation. In the neighborhood of 4-5% holdback of a mix of opentime. Company pays all expenses associated with implementation. Vacation sell back and slide ability. Just to name a few.
09-25-2022, 09:57 AM
#277
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 93
For Lewbronski:
Interesting perspectives on the rail labor situation, for us-we were deadlocked last spring and Mgmt pushed a big turd across the table. That precipitated the picket and strike vote, now because of those actions we are in a very different situation. So, what did the rail workers have on the table? If it was similar to what we had last spring their actions are understandable.
Interesting perspectives on the rail labor situation, for us-we were deadlocked last spring and Mgmt pushed a big turd across the table. That precipitated the picket and strike vote, now because of those actions we are in a very different situation. So, what did the rail workers have on the table? If it was similar to what we had last spring their actions are understandable.
09-25-2022, 10:04 AM
#278
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
I’m gonna get flamed here as usual, but the ones that are a hard No just seem like they want to take take take.
While this the first airline negotiations/TA I have been through, I have been involved in many similar negotiations before. The point of all negotiations is for two parties to come together with a list of wants, and ultimately compromise on both sides to come to agreement.
While this the first airline negotiations/TA I have been through, I have been involved in many similar negotiations before. The point of all negotiations is for two parties to come together with a list of wants, and ultimately compromise on both sides to come to agreement.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/09...9171527313600/
Ever hear of a guy called Kasher?
https://archive.seattletimes.com/arc...g=webalaska02m
So finally, after decades of being on the losing end of compromises, the negotiating advantage has switched to labor.
ALPA ought not to be compromising this time, it’s their turn to make nonnegotiable demands.
09-25-2022, 10:35 AM
#279
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 70
Alaska is for sale. Hence the crappy scope clause in this TA and sub par almost everything else. Nothing industry leading. Management is doing their due diligence and trying to get AS pilots to vote yes and become the bottom feeders of all the legacies and mainline carriers. Makes AS more likely to be acquired with a cheaper pilot group. Know your worth!
09-25-2022, 10:37 AM
#280
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Right Side Up
Posts: 192
I admit, I was a pretty solid NO when I first saw what came out. The financials put me off for sure. As well as a few other things (reserve days off comes straight to mind). But after reading the executive summary and listening to the podcasts, I was able to learn a little bit more and it definitely shed some light on the things I had some questions/reservations about. Very much looking forward to reading the full TA language, attending a roadshow and asking a few more questions.
I’ve moved to a “definite maybe” position. Huge props to our NC, MEC and our block reps! Not an easy task they had by any means.
