Timmay

So does AS currently not have PBS and this agreement would implement it? If that's the case, I'm surprised there's not more blowback from that item alone.

RJSAviator76

I'm a Southwest guy looking at this, and have a few questions because what you sign affects how negotiations go elsewhere...

1) Your signing bonus. Does this amount make you whole as a retro, or is this a fixed number that was agreed upon? Has anyone done any actual math on how much money the union is giving to the company by not insisting on full retro? Doesn't this signing bonus reward and entice the management to drag out negotiations even longer in the future?

2) I understand that you're trying to ride the coattails of other 5 major airlines when it comes to pay rates. Do you believe your TA'd rates are anywhere remotely close to market considering what the regionals are now making?

3) PBS controlled by ALPA. Do training and vacation get pre-awarded and then your line built to the bid window, or do you get your bid award first and then have training and vacation put on dropping the affected trips?

I'm not an Alaska guy, but if our NC at Southwest brought us something like this, I'd want them all recalled and replaced.

pangolin

What’s with the bird names - Eagle, Pigeon, Chicken…

All Bizniz

Ha! You don't know the Line Bidding set up we have.

We lost all advantages that Line bidding might have had over PBS a longgg time ago.

If Line Bidding is the horse and carriage, then Prefbid is the modern sports car, assuming you get the contract language right.

DEM1933

There are of course many other airline folks following with great interest.
In the interest of cutting out the APC noise someone should start a thread with a TA poll pinned to the top.

Also Spirit went from line bidding to PBS via NavBlue in 2018.
I have not once encountered one of our pilots that regrets that change.
One must learn how to use it though, but you'll have a lot of help with that.

WHACKMASTER

I already wrote our NC & BOD not to even think of bringing something like this to us. What a joke.

WYSIWYG

Disappointed… however one has to stand back and take a deep breath. I would like to know from the NC why they thought this is a good deal. I have the feeling with all the input they received from Alpa, economic advisers, who went through this entire proposal this is the best they can negotiate at this time. Pilots can vote it down. What is known Is the current TA. What is unknown , will the group do better , voting it down, it might be another year, maybe two. If the economy gets really ugly no mediator will award the pilot group more than what has been currently negotiated, or release for self help. The alaska pilots know , how management works. One can ask for the sky, but did anybody seriously believe , that we can negotiate 350$ or more an hour, 150k retro or more, 14 days off on RSV…. Is it deserved.. absolutely, realistic, no. It is what it is, alaska will never be a on top of the pay scale or work rules. If the pilot hiring environment is as good as it is , pilots need to sit down and do the math and make a choice if it’s worth staying employed with Alaska. It’s a free country. Not saying vote yes, but be aware who you work for, how they operate and how a no vote will improve one’s life. Be careful how you play your cards.

flyprdu

A year or two for TA2? Get serious.

14 days for reserves was never too much to ask.

And the ultimate defeatist attitude is to tell those who are dissatisfied to leave. Even before a single vote is cast.

WHACKMASTER

OMG. Thank God you’re not on my negotiating team. Spineless…..

WYSIWYG

Nowhere did I say to have a defeatist attitude. I did not say vote yes. I mentioned , and I assume you work at alaska , you know, how they operate. I said be a realist and understand about what you know now and what you don’t know, and make a decision what is best for you.