Alaska General Discussion
08-17-2023, 07:30 PM
#832
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My stance is we should get paid as much as possible based on what we are worth. Isn't that where you stand? I think we did pretty well last year. If you include 10.5% PBP we were the highest paid 737 operators in the world. I'm currently on track to close in on 450-500k this year including DC.
It's really unfortunate you feel so mistreated and undervalued by Alaska. Never before in the history of aviation have there been more opportunities to leave. It's not worth being unhappy! Perhaps the grass is greener at another carrier? I definitely don't think that it is but clearly you have a different view.
It's really unfortunate you feel so mistreated and undervalued by Alaska. Never before in the history of aviation have there been more opportunities to leave. It's not worth being unhappy! Perhaps the grass is greener at another carrier? I definitely don't think that it is but clearly you have a different view.
It is now August and you're demanding a better deal because our airline can't staff the QOL improvements or growth that was promised...
08-17-2023, 07:51 PM
#833
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Certainly none of you think that Alaska Airlines buys in to “raising top of scale captain pay” has anything to do with retention of the 0-10yr pilots that are leaving. It has never come up in an exit interview. What that group wants, we(alpa) wont give them and Alaska Airlines is not going to give them….A good life at the bottom of the pile
08-18-2023, 11:25 AM
#834
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Certainly none of you think that Alaska Airlines buys in to “raising top of scale captain pay” has anything to do with retention of the 0-10yr pilots that are leaving. It has never come up in an exit interview. What that group wants, we(alpa) wont give them and Alaska Airlines is not going to give them….A good life at the bottom of the pile
08-18-2023, 06:37 PM
#835
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Red eye override, allowing reserves to pick up pilot to pilot on days off and allowing reserves to pick up seat subs in the sim would make JR life a lot easier. Sure I am benefitting from 3rd step as I am sure you are but it really is creating a situation where JR pilots are getting the worst of the worst. I've been told numerous times that attrition is not my problem it is a company issue but I will never see any QOL provisions of the contract if we can not retain JR pilots.
Selfishness and ego on our part…gotta be Delta +1…and unimaginative and incompetent leadership on their part will prevent us from ever building a strong base…0
08-18-2023, 07:05 PM
#836
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Section 3 is easily amended. Section 25 not so much.
But yes to everything you've said.
08-18-2023, 10:23 PM
#837
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Have not really used 3rd step. But the OF lines show the net result of it. Fewer and lousier lines. Thinking real long call would help(20 hrs), realistic short call(4hrs), fix the commuter status problem by making it a “C” code so it no longer falls under non-rev travel and there is no carve out for Horizon, deadhead deviations home instead of just being cut loose, 15 calendar days off for reserves that they can “sell back” if they want for more cash….The list is long but those plus yours would go a long way towards hanging on to the new guys and driving the senior FO’s over to the left seat which also helps retain new guys because the list moves.
Selfishness and ego on our part…gotta be Delta +1…and unimaginative and incompetent leadership on their part will prevent us from ever building a strong base…0
Selfishness and ego on our part…gotta be Delta +1…and unimaginative and incompetent leadership on their part will prevent us from ever building a strong base…0
08-20-2023, 07:13 AM
#838
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Red eye override, allowing reserves to pick up pilot to pilot on days off and allowing reserves to pick up seat subs in the sim would make JR life a lot easier. Sure I am benefitting from 3rd step as I am sure you are but it really is creating a situation where JR pilots are getting the worst of the worst. I've been told numerous times that attrition is not my problem it is a company issue but I will never see any QOL provisions of the contract if we can not retain JR pilots.
Have not really used 3rd step. But the OF lines show the net result of it. Fewer and lousier lines. Thinking real long call would help(20 hrs), realistic short call(4hrs), fix the commuter status problem by making it a “C” code so it no longer falls under non-rev travel and there is no carve out for Horizon, deadhead deviations home instead of just being cut loose, 15 calendar days off for reserves that they can “sell back” if they want for more cash….The list is long but those plus yours would go a long way towards hanging on to the new guys and driving the senior FO’s over to the left seat which also helps retain new guys because the list moves.
Selfishness and ego on our part…gotta be Delta +1…and unimaginative and incompetent leadership on their part will prevent us from ever building a strong base…0
Selfishness and ego on our part…gotta be Delta +1…and unimaginative and incompetent leadership on their part will prevent us from ever building a strong base…0
The all pilot call recap answer about the attrition questions weren't encouraging either, it would have helped to see anything related to any of the one above ideas from GoodJet and 9mikemike mentioned.
08-20-2023, 07:39 AM
#839
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Assuming none of the above take place, how long will it take for a junior, commuting FO to have a life, let alone a decent life? Serious question. I'm living it and it looks like a longer and rougher road than I thought possible.
The all pilot call recap answer about the attrition questions weren't encouraging either, it would have helped to see anything related to any of the one above ideas from GoodJet and 9mikemike mentioned.
The all pilot call recap answer about the attrition questions weren't encouraging either, it would have helped to see anything related to any of the one above ideas from GoodJet and 9mikemike mentioned.
08-20-2023, 12:16 PM
#840
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Posts: 155
YEARS. No hiring through the summer, and now a trickle with 50% new hire attrition, you'll unfortunately be at the bottom for a long time.
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