Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Difference is I'm not complaining about my predicament. And I was NYC based, and us ~115 guys had it worse than any of the other 2600ish. Straight up fact.



It's NOT a me-too clause. I don't know why your side keeps bringing this up over and over again. From all the podcasts and union gatherings I attended, it was clear the aim was trying for an industry average contract, not an industry leading contract. The provision is an average provision of taking the big 4 (or 5 if jetBlue signed, which it did), divided by 5, and that would be your rate. The problem is two airlines, United and Southwest don't seem to be completing by Sept 1 of this year. United looks like will be closing in October which misses the deadline of Sept 1.


As for the Jan effective date, I see what you mean. That's a product of Delta signing in March, with rates dating back to Jan 1. So ours kicks up September of 2022, 2023, 2024, while Delta gets theirs Jan of 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, etc. I don't see anything nefarious here, it's a product of when the contract was signed, and then back-pay to a couple months. Eg, our contract was effective Nov 1 for a lot of parts, but back paid to Aug 1.

This is all revisionist history at this point. I don't ever recall pilots I came across saying "I want Delta pay plus 1%." Now it seems to be the case, after they signed theirs.


Sept 1 worse case 318, better case AS management counts United and we get 327, or best case scenario management steps up to the plate and offers 330-335 from good will. Then Sept 1 next year 2024, industry average formula gets about 350-355ish. Then what? According to your side, come Sept 1, 2025, we should stall and delay our new contract right? Let Delta and United go first. So we delay and delay and stay at 350ish until Delta and United declare the next new values for pay.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

the problem is two airlines, United and Southwest don't seem to be completing by Sept 1 of this year. United looks like will be closing in October which misses the deadline of Sept 1...


As for the Jan effective date, I see what you mean. That's a product of Delta signing in March, with rates dating back to Jan 1.

Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo

How sad you're willing to blame other airlines for not being timely enough

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

You are below average in every way you’ve shown on these boards, and deserve to trail your peers the entirety of your career. Unfortunately the rest of us are along for the ride. Actually, you’re just lucky to be here, and you literally turn my stomach.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

We are just going to snap 9/1 because of basic economics, something the 30 has a really hard time with. They are still busy fighting some war, and will never stand down🤔😂😬

Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo

We'll snap to $325 like ShyGuy says. OTZ will declare victory. And we'll still be 10%+ behind the majors come January 1st.

This place is just predictably sad.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

The Alaska discount is over, didn’t you all hear. We have a new sheriff in town. You see 600 angryX-VXers, and they are strengthened by the 2,000+ new hires, hired over the last few years. These guys are super strong cobras, they are finally going to run right over AS management, I mean a really smart group, AS management will beg for mercy. I am just only to happy to hear how smart and tough this new group is…. Nothing like the wimpy old school AS pilots who were always yes men, wimps, guys that didn’t understand their worth.

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We are just going to snap 9/1 because of basic economics, something the 30 has a really hard time with. They are still busy fighting some war, and will never stand down🤔😂😬

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

I expect $333 but was told $340

Do you remember all the banter on here when B6 got 330 and HA got 329…. Remember how badly we sucked, how much better they were, even though we had profit sharing and were making more with that included 🤔

Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo

We'll snap to $325 like ShyGuy says. OTZ will declare victory. And we'll still be 10%+ behind the majors come January 1st.

This place is just predictably sad.