Alaska General Discussion
#761
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 155
If that was the case, they wouldnt be sending emails out like this
August 1, 2023
Fellow pilots,
A year ago, we were finally making progress at the negotiating table toward what would become our current CBA. Driven by your unity and resolve, the key focus of those negotiations was to reach an agreement that brought our work rules and job security in line or ahead of the industry. Equally important, of course, was pay and ensuring that as others reached agreements our compensation would be protected—that we would never be left behind again.
This goal was broadly shared by the management team across the table whose drive was mitigating the pilot attrition trend, while allowing them to execute on their growth plans.
September 1 marks the date in which Section 3.A.4 of the CBA [Market Rate Adjustment] must be considered in adjusting our hourly rate to the greater of the stipulated CBA rates or an average of key airlines. While only the Delta and JetBlue pilots have ratified new pay rates under this language, the industry pay landscape is changing as reflected in recent ratified agreements at Hawaiian and tentative agreements currently before the pilots of United and American.
Attrition has not slowed. It is impacting our scheduling flexibility, ability to trade, and other quality-of-life issues. We have hired 278 and lost 116 as of the date of this update. The reasons for this attrition are not rhetorical; they are backed in data. Your membership volunteers have conducted exit interviews with nearly all of these pilots. While many issues are cited, compensation is the most immediate and easily addressed if Alaska management hopes to attract/retain pilots—and grow.
This morning I sent the attached letter to CEO Ben Minicucci and CFO Shane Tackett highlighting the MEC’s concerns and reflecting the expectations that have been communicated to us from countless pilots. I reminded them of our shared commitment to industry parity a year ago. It is my expectation that they respond favorably and engage on adjusting our pay rates regardless of the ratification status of American, United and Southwest. I will keep you updated on their response.
The most recent Alaska Pilots Podcast episode further addresses these issues and will be available later this evening.
In two weeks your MEC will hold its second regular MEC meeting. Part of the meeting agenda will include focusing on the issues identified in our exit interviews (beyond compensation) that are key to attracting and retaining pilots. You can expect polling in the near future as we begin the foundational work of moving toward CBA 2025, as well as unity events and airport coffee events. Your input is what defines our goals. Your unity is the driving force toward attaining them.
Safety, professionalism, engagement, and unity are our foundation. They are not just the keys to our prior success, but also at the core of navigating the path forward. I remain humbled to have the opportunity to represent this pilot group and look forward to reporting back to you in the next weeks.
Fellow pilots,
A year ago, we were finally making progress at the negotiating table toward what would become our current CBA. Driven by your unity and resolve, the key focus of those negotiations was to reach an agreement that brought our work rules and job security in line or ahead of the industry. Equally important, of course, was pay and ensuring that as others reached agreements our compensation would be protected—that we would never be left behind again.
This goal was broadly shared by the management team across the table whose drive was mitigating the pilot attrition trend, while allowing them to execute on their growth plans.
September 1 marks the date in which Section 3.A.4 of the CBA [Market Rate Adjustment] must be considered in adjusting our hourly rate to the greater of the stipulated CBA rates or an average of key airlines. While only the Delta and JetBlue pilots have ratified new pay rates under this language, the industry pay landscape is changing as reflected in recent ratified agreements at Hawaiian and tentative agreements currently before the pilots of United and American.
Attrition has not slowed. It is impacting our scheduling flexibility, ability to trade, and other quality-of-life issues. We have hired 278 and lost 116 as of the date of this update. The reasons for this attrition are not rhetorical; they are backed in data. Your membership volunteers have conducted exit interviews with nearly all of these pilots. While many issues are cited, compensation is the most immediate and easily addressed if Alaska management hopes to attract/retain pilots—and grow.
This morning I sent the attached letter to CEO Ben Minicucci and CFO Shane Tackett highlighting the MEC’s concerns and reflecting the expectations that have been communicated to us from countless pilots. I reminded them of our shared commitment to industry parity a year ago. It is my expectation that they respond favorably and engage on adjusting our pay rates regardless of the ratification status of American, United and Southwest. I will keep you updated on their response.
The most recent Alaska Pilots Podcast episode further addresses these issues and will be available later this evening.
In two weeks your MEC will hold its second regular MEC meeting. Part of the meeting agenda will include focusing on the issues identified in our exit interviews (beyond compensation) that are key to attracting and retaining pilots. You can expect polling in the near future as we begin the foundational work of moving toward CBA 2025, as well as unity events and airport coffee events. Your input is what defines our goals. Your unity is the driving force toward attaining them.
Safety, professionalism, engagement, and unity are our foundation. They are not just the keys to our prior success, but also at the core of navigating the path forward. I remain humbled to have the opportunity to represent this pilot group and look forward to reporting back to you in the next weeks.
#762
Living The Dream
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 106
At what point does this attrition negative feedback loop get decision maker attention? As a new FO, very interested to see how this plays out.
#763
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Cessna 205
Posts: 253
Alaska has lost almost as many pilots this year as Southwest has. With about a quarter of the training throughput. This plead by our NC is clearly an understanding that they missed the mark on our language. Pretty simple to see that. Especially since they were talking so close to the other NC’s. Just to let you know, Delta‘s snap up language existed before our contract, and we still went for average. Beyond that, management has to do something in order to stop the bleeding. But the fact that we have to rely on them to move the mark, means we fell short negotiating. Relying on the company to “do the right thing,” should never be the case.
Do you think the company would have agreed to Delta type snap up language? I don’t, it’s not their way.
#764
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 677
In fact, in the MEC podcast, it is stated that we had wanted the rates to be based on the big 3, but management insisted that B6, and WN be included.
Negotiations is about compromise, and I guess to get the Market Rate Adjustment clause across the finish line, the union believed it was best to give up some ground, based on the strategic assumption that all of these airlines would have had contracts with very similar rates by now?
#765
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 699
It's not their way..
In fact, in the MEC podcast, it is stated that we had wanted the rates to be based on the big 3, but management insisted that B6, and WN be included.
Negotiations is about compromise, and I guess to get the Market Rate Adjustment clause across the finish line, the union believed it was best to give up some ground, based on the strategic assumption that all of these airlines would have had contracts with very similar rates by now?
In fact, in the MEC podcast, it is stated that we had wanted the rates to be based on the big 3, but management insisted that B6, and WN be included.
Negotiations is about compromise, and I guess to get the Market Rate Adjustment clause across the finish line, the union believed it was best to give up some ground, based on the strategic assumption that all of these airlines would have had contracts with very similar rates by now?
I guess I should expect it now since there is a history of decades of arbitrated deals at Alaska.
Alaska pilots never learned how to fight.
#766
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 791
Not so much about the fight as it is about SA.
We had great unity of purpose. But no SA of purpose. 40% focused on PBS(risky move at a west coast regional that outsources greater than 30% of it’s departures and only has pilot bases in one time zone.)
40% focused on pay rates only and only in the present.(risky move at a single fleet west coast regional with pilot bases only in one time zone).
Not a lot of great SA applied to the details of getting those things or staying ahead of those things. For me neither of those held the top 4 requirements for a yes vote. But with a redounding yes vote it is certainly time to know and live the contract and start to focus on the next one. Not sure we will have the unity and pretty sure we will be under another “Chicken Little” event. SA will still be the best tool we have. Hoping a Trojan Horse does not appear this fall.
We had great unity of purpose. But no SA of purpose. 40% focused on PBS(risky move at a west coast regional that outsources greater than 30% of it’s departures and only has pilot bases in one time zone.)
40% focused on pay rates only and only in the present.(risky move at a single fleet west coast regional with pilot bases only in one time zone).
Not a lot of great SA applied to the details of getting those things or staying ahead of those things. For me neither of those held the top 4 requirements for a yes vote. But with a redounding yes vote it is certainly time to know and live the contract and start to focus on the next one. Not sure we will have the unity and pretty sure we will be under another “Chicken Little” event. SA will still be the best tool we have. Hoping a Trojan Horse does not appear this fall.
#767
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 699
Not so much about the fight as it is about SA.
We had great unity of purpose. But no SA of purpose. 40% focused on PBS(risky move at a west coast regional that outsources greater than 30% of it’s departures and only has pilot bases in one time zone.)
40% focused on pay rates only and only in the present.(risky move at a single fleet west coast regional with pilot bases only in one time zone).
Not a lot of great SA applied to the details of getting those things or staying ahead of those things. For me neither of those held the top 4 requirements for a yes vote. But with a redounding yes vote it is certainly time to know and live the contract and start to focus on the next one. Not sure we will have the unity and pretty sure we will be under another “Chicken Little” event. SA will still be the best tool we have. Hoping a Trojan Horse does not appear this fall.
We had great unity of purpose. But no SA of purpose. 40% focused on PBS(risky move at a west coast regional that outsources greater than 30% of it’s departures and only has pilot bases in one time zone.)
40% focused on pay rates only and only in the present.(risky move at a single fleet west coast regional with pilot bases only in one time zone).
Not a lot of great SA applied to the details of getting those things or staying ahead of those things. For me neither of those held the top 4 requirements for a yes vote. But with a redounding yes vote it is certainly time to know and live the contract and start to focus on the next one. Not sure we will have the unity and pretty sure we will be under another “Chicken Little” event. SA will still be the best tool we have. Hoping a Trojan Horse does not appear this fall.
1. Let Delta go first.
2. Don't ratify contracts during election season hysteria.
Those two simple changes would have improved our outcome dramatically.
#768
Isn’t that a sauce?
Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 280
#769
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 691
I think just not giving in to economic fear mongering would have helped us tremendously.
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