rickair7777

That won't change anything, only delay it for a few months. Depending on how international and fleet bidding gets handled at the legacies, it could actually be a wash or even make it worse. If large numbers of 65+ clog up the NB training pipeline as they flee to domestic fleets.

ShyGuy

Rumors kicking up that 318 might be 330ish?

Mudhen200

Why do you assume that a 65+ pilot would go to the domestic fleet? I doubt the American, Delta or United have contractual language that allows their company to ignore their seniority. In other words, just because a bunch of idiots in Washington DC make stupid laws, does not mean that the pilot contracts don't apply. The way I see it, the #1 wide body captain bids his favorite international flight, just like he has been doing for years, and his company displaces him and pays him to stay home for basically two years. If the company wants him to fly domestically, then they have to negotiate it, put it in the contract and undoubtedly pay him international wide body wages to fly domestic narrow body aircraft. Anything less is a giveaway during a time that pilots actually have the position of power.

Av8rRr

Rumor has it Delta is buying Alaska

rickair7777

It probably started here.

GoodJet

I think it’s a dangerous rumor in terms of setting expectations.

If a newer hire is getting their heart set on something that isn’t required by the contract it could be a volatile ingredient for attrition.

Many of the newer hires I have spoken with have qualified that a personality from flight ops management has told new hires there would be up to 9% in September.

My only input has been “don’t get your hopes up.”

rickair7777

That's a possibility and depends on CBA language, any side letters the unions comes up with, and any language which congress might insert into the final bill.

I can assure you that airlines and possibly even the unions are sitting up straight and paying attention to this thing at this point, and presumably having discussions about how to deal with it. That would include some lobbying.

Fundamentally, if you're not qualified to fly the trip due to legal or regulator matters I don't think you're entitled to get paid for it and I think congress would agree. Kind of like you get a DUI and can't fly to Canada, you'll need to bid-avoid.

I guess it's possible that legacies might actually just pay them top sit home, rather than deal with re-training them on other fleets for however many months.

And as I've said before, ICAO will probably provide age 67 relief fairly quickly since US airlines make up almost 50% of the global fleet capacity.

CordovaCA

Management has been telling new hire classes 340 in Sept. Wouldn't be a great look to go back on that statement. Hopefully they honor the intent of our CBA rather than letter of the law. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

ExperimentalAB

Hopefully we learn by next time to write better letters into the law, so we don’t end up hoping so much.

flysnoopy76

Hopefully that happens, I’m skeptical of anything management is telling new hires in what is clearly an attempt at increasing retention, when they are not bound in anyway to follow through on what they are saying.