Alaska General Discussion
07-25-2023, 09:24 AM
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I’ve been at Alaska probably longer than you’ve been in the aviation industry. The reason AS won’t ever exceed the Big 3 in rates as you say, is because there’s a percentage including yourself who are alright being behind them. That script could be rewritten at any time. There’s absolutely no reason Alaska pilots can’t be the highest, and keep the highest (tied to WN’s new contract or Delta’s snap up) rates as 737 pilot’s in the industry.
07-25-2023, 09:32 AM
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I’ve been at Alaska probably longer than you’ve been in the aviation industry. The reason AS won’t ever exceed the Big 3 in rates as you say, is because there’s a percentage including yourself who are alright being behind them. That script could be rewritten at any time. There’s absolutely no reason Alaska pilots can’t be the highest, and keep the highest (tied to WN’s new contract or Delta’s snap up) rates as 737 pilot’s in the industry.
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07-25-2023, 11:00 AM
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Right, so by your logic they make more because they aren't ok with making only what Alaska makes... So that, therefore, means that Alaska makes less than everyone else because our pilots ARE ok with that.
We get it, you support the Alaska Discount and everyone who doesn't like it should just leave. You're a broken record.
We get it, you support the Alaska Discount and everyone who doesn't like it should just leave. You're a broken record.
07-25-2023, 11:05 AM
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So a big airline pays more for fuel? They have the margins right? No. They are fixed cost commodities. Why are people any different? The difference in scale is already accounted for by the headcount. You're the one being emotional.
07-25-2023, 11:07 AM
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Ben and Shane both said “upcoming recession” the last two quarterly meetings. I’m sure the market will correct at some point but I don’t think anywhere near they way they “think” it will. My personal belief is that this is how they cry poverty to keep AFA from getting a market rate contract. In the meantime, I’ve got a great way for them to save money on hotels…..open up more bases….what a concept right?
07-25-2023, 05:26 PM
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Going forward in the current market though, I don’t see Alaska being able keep cost discipline with its pilots as the current market will not allow it. They will have to pay market rates to attract and keep this workgroup.
07-25-2023, 06:03 PM
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Economies of scale play a major role in viability and the sustainability of costs. Scale alone creates synergies and the vastness of the network and mileage plan allows for a significant number of points for those cost pressures to be alleviated and consumed.
Going forward in the current market though, I don’t see Alaska being able keep cost discipline with its pilots as the current market will not allow it. They will have to pay market rates to attract and keep this workgroup.
Going forward in the current market though, I don’t see Alaska being able keep cost discipline with its pilots as the current market will not allow it. They will have to pay market rates to attract and keep this workgroup.
07-25-2023, 06:36 PM
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Economies of scale play a major role in viability and the sustainability of costs. Scale alone creates synergies and the vastness of the network and mileage plan allows for a significant number of points for those cost pressures to be alleviated and consumed.
Going forward in the current market though, I don’t see Alaska being able keep cost discipline with its pilots as the current market will not allow it. They will have to pay market rates to attract and keep this workgroup.
Going forward in the current market though, I don’t see Alaska being able keep cost discipline with its pilots as the current market will not allow it. They will have to pay market rates to attract and keep this workgroup.
That said, I disagree. Pilots are cogs in the machine, and scaling doesn't synergize in flight operations. In fact, quite the opposite. Hence, the push for things like single fleet.
On its face, it sounds like a good excuse to accept the Alaska Discount, but like most things that you post... A complete fabrication.
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