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Old 07-22-2023, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
I'm watching but this magic kind of sucks
Magic would be going back in time and having the NC not drop the ball, and rewrite this awful snap up language. After all, we were told repeatedly that what’s happening now, wouldn’t happen to us ever again. Reopening negotiations needs to be highly considered within the union after this lackluster contract that was supposed to keep us in line with our peers. Spoiler alert: it’s not. And 787’s aren’t coming 🤣
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Old 07-22-2023, 10:39 AM
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Magic would be going back in time and having the NC not drop the ball, and rewrite this awful snap up language. After all, we were told repeatedly that what’s happening now, wouldn’t happen to us ever again. Reopening negotiations needs to be highly considered within the union after this lackluster contract that was supposed to keep us in line with our peers. Spoiler alert: it’s not. And 787’s aren’t coming 🤣
Alaska, being one of the most financially sound airlines out there these days, clearly has the money to pay you guys the snap up and it is clearly fully budgeted for already based on your new contract. How they can justify not giving you guys a solid pay bump now the bar has been set by DL/UA and even AA is a mystery to me and I am not sure why any of you will stand for it frankly.

Your management is basically saying without using words that you are not as good as your peers and not worth what they are worth for doing the exact same job. Get what you guys deserve to be paid and nothing less. These airlines are basically printing $ these days and the talks of the looming recession have all but vanished with the latest economic data so I don't see how any airline can use that excuse anymore either!
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Old 07-22-2023, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PorkyMcFuzz
Alaska, being one of the most financially sound airlines out there these days, clearly has the money to pay you guys the snap up and it is clearly fully budgeted for already based on your new contract. How they can justify not giving you guys a solid pay bump now the bar has been set by DL/UA and even AA is a mystery to me
They don't have to "justify" it, they already have the contractual language.

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and I am not sure why any of you will stand for it frankly.
Nothing the pilots can do about it, besides quit and go to UA as DEC

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Your management is basically saying without using words that you are not as good as your peers and not worth what they are worth for doing the exact same job. Get what you guys deserve to be paid and nothing less. These airlines are basically printing $ these days and the talks of the looming recession have all but vanished with the latest economic data so I don't see how any airline can use that excuse anymore either!
They're not saying any such thing. What they're "thinking" is that they're glad they went first and got what now looks like a smokin' deal.

Although since AA apparently just matched the UA AIP, who knows, maybe they'll pony up for retention purposes since as you say they must have budgeted for it.
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Old 07-22-2023, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
I'm watching but this magic kind of sucks
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.
Quoted for the record. 2 months is a very short time.
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.
I was having a crummy day, this gave me a good laugh, thank you.
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Old 07-22-2023, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.
The PRIA requests must have spiked significantly. OTZ is here to spread some some FOMO good news just around the corner again. Don't leave guys....you will be missing out.
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The PRIA requests must have spiked significantly. OTZ is here to spread some some FOMO good news just around the corner again. Don't leave guys....you will be missing out.
As pathetic as it is, this seems plausible considering the history of our mgmt.
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Old 07-22-2023, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.

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Old 07-23-2023, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
3 year extension to our current contract, rate only improvements. $343 5,4,4,3. Voting on deal in September.

First 787 late 2023. It will come first in Hawaiian colors 😂.

AS seems eager to buy and relaunch an iconic airline brand, keeping the tails of both airlines statehood heritages.
Rate only 🤣 as if the rest of the contract isn’t behind already? Unless it’s the better of Delta and United’s contract, it’s not happening. Just wait till the Southwest contract comes out, then watch how far behind we fall. I’d hope our NC wouldn’t fold just like that. Then again, look at how poorly worded our snap up clause is right now. If this pilot group wasn’t aware of how far behind they were before, it’s pretty clear now.

Alaska won’t be buying anyone. Let alone Hawaiian. This is just downright funny. This place can’t even staff what they already have, let alone buy Hawaiian who’s in the same sinking boat. Thanks for the laughs though.

Let’s recount quick. First Southwest, then United, a possibility of American, and now Hawaiian. Throw in Delta at least just to round it out!
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