Alaska General Discussion
12-15-2023, 12:07 PM
#1361
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Did your management really describe it that way to you? Hate to break it to you, but it sounds like they either have a shaky relationship with reality or are comfortable lying to their employees.
12-15-2023, 12:49 PM
#1362
weekends off? Nope...
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,018
so what was a typical fare between islands before we entered the market? You're implying it didn't change that much?
oh yeah, who told you about our LF numbers?
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12-15-2023, 03:37 PM
#1363
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ha! No, the reality is that's what we have been hearing from the locals who can now afford to fly INTER island to see their families.
so what was a typical fare between islands before we entered the market? You're implying it didn't change that much?
oh yeah, who told you about our LF numbers?
so what was a typical fare between islands before we entered the market? You're implying it didn't change that much?
oh yeah, who told you about our LF numbers?
I haven't seen or quoted SWA's LF numbers, but I have watched a dozen passengers walk off a SWA interisland flight when the next gate over HAL is over sold for the next five flights. That's what usually happens when people are being gouged.
We've all heard "the locals" as you call them describe $79 fares as a ripoff and not understand why it's $179 on Friday afternoon. We've heard because those are our own friends and families. And, yes, HA had cheap fares before SWA came in, just not when everyone wants to fly. Funny how that works. We know because we are "the locals" traveling to see family and sometimes buying tickets because standby isn't going to work.
This conversation is about to go off the rails when you defend $380 SAT-DAL tomorrow and anyway its not a real comparison, because you know in that case people have a choice and can drive, blah blah blah. Then we'll move on to SWA predatory pricing, creeping monopoly and the reduction of choice when big box stores shut out the mom and pops. It's all been said before. If you really think SWA came to Hawaii to save people from high airfares, I can't help you. My bad for trying to correct inaccurate information from a market newcomer. I'm going to do something productive, like mow the lawn and go for a kayak. Have a good one.
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12-15-2023, 06:38 PM
#1364
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 85
Glad you mentioned it. $300 less than SWA's charging for SAT-DAL tomorrow.
I haven't seen or quoted SWA's LF numbers, but I have watched a dozen passengers walk off a SWA interisland flight when the next gate over HAL is over sold for the next five flights. That's what usually happens when people are being gouged.
We've all heard "the locals" as you call them describe $79 fares as a ripoff and not understand why it's $179 on Friday afternoon. We've heard because those are our own friends and families. And, yes, HA had cheap fares before SWA came in, just not when everyone wants to fly. Funny how that works. We know because we are "the locals" traveling to see family and sometimes buying tickets because standby isn't going to work.
This conversation is about to go off the rails when you defend $380 SAT-DAL tomorrow and anyway its not a real comparison, because you know in that case people have a choice and can drive, blah blah blah. Then we'll move on to SWA predatory pricing, creeping monopoly and the reduction of choice when big box stores shut out the mom and pops. It's all been said before. If you really think SWA came to Hawaii to save people from high airfares, I can't help you. My bad for trying to correct inaccurate information from a market newcomer. I'm going to do something productive, like mow the lawn and go for a kayak. Have a good one.
I haven't seen or quoted SWA's LF numbers, but I have watched a dozen passengers walk off a SWA interisland flight when the next gate over HAL is over sold for the next five flights. That's what usually happens when people are being gouged.
We've all heard "the locals" as you call them describe $79 fares as a ripoff and not understand why it's $179 on Friday afternoon. We've heard because those are our own friends and families. And, yes, HA had cheap fares before SWA came in, just not when everyone wants to fly. Funny how that works. We know because we are "the locals" traveling to see family and sometimes buying tickets because standby isn't going to work.
This conversation is about to go off the rails when you defend $380 SAT-DAL tomorrow and anyway its not a real comparison, because you know in that case people have a choice and can drive, blah blah blah. Then we'll move on to SWA predatory pricing, creeping monopoly and the reduction of choice when big box stores shut out the mom and pops. It's all been said before. If you really think SWA came to Hawaii to save people from high airfares, I can't help you. My bad for trying to correct inaccurate information from a market newcomer. I'm going to do something productive, like mow the lawn and go for a kayak. Have a good one.
12-15-2023, 06:52 PM
#1365
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,160
Glad you mentioned it. $300 less than SWA's charging for SAT-DAL tomorrow.
I haven't seen or quoted SWA's LF numbers, but I have watched a dozen passengers walk off a SWA interisland flight when the next gate over HAL is over sold for the next five flights. That's what usually happens when people are being gouged.
We've all heard "the locals" as you call them describe $79 fares as a ripoff and not understand why it's $179 on Friday afternoon. We've heard because those are our own friends and families. And, yes, HA had cheap fares before SWA came in, just not when everyone wants to fly. Funny how that works. We know because we are "the locals" traveling to see family and sometimes buying tickets because standby isn't going to work.
This conversation is about to go off the rails when you defend $380 SAT-DAL tomorrow and anyway its not a real comparison, because you know in that case people have a choice and can drive, blah blah blah. Then we'll move on to SWA predatory pricing, creeping monopoly and the reduction of choice when big box stores shut out the mom and pops. It's all been said before. If you really think SWA came to Hawaii to save people from high airfares, I can't help you. My bad for trying to correct inaccurate information from a market newcomer. I'm going to do something productive, like mow the lawn and go for a kayak. Have a good one.
I haven't seen or quoted SWA's LF numbers, but I have watched a dozen passengers walk off a SWA interisland flight when the next gate over HAL is over sold for the next five flights. That's what usually happens when people are being gouged.
We've all heard "the locals" as you call them describe $79 fares as a ripoff and not understand why it's $179 on Friday afternoon. We've heard because those are our own friends and families. And, yes, HA had cheap fares before SWA came in, just not when everyone wants to fly. Funny how that works. We know because we are "the locals" traveling to see family and sometimes buying tickets because standby isn't going to work.
This conversation is about to go off the rails when you defend $380 SAT-DAL tomorrow and anyway its not a real comparison, because you know in that case people have a choice and can drive, blah blah blah. Then we'll move on to SWA predatory pricing, creeping monopoly and the reduction of choice when big box stores shut out the mom and pops. It's all been said before. If you really think SWA came to Hawaii to save people from high airfares, I can't help you. My bad for trying to correct inaccurate information from a market newcomer. I'm going to do something productive, like mow the lawn and go for a kayak. Have a good one.
12-16-2023, 10:39 AM
#1366
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2023
Position: 727 Flight Engineer
Posts: 117
ha! No, the reality is that's what we have been hearing from the locals who can now afford to fly INTER island to see their families.
so what was a typical fare between islands before we entered the market? You're implying it didn't change that much?
oh yeah, who told you about our LF numbers?
so what was a typical fare between islands before we entered the market? You're implying it didn't change that much?
oh yeah, who told you about our LF numbers?
If WN ever ran off HAL then those $59 fares would also run off. Sorry but southwest doesn’t have the people of anywhere’s interest at “heart.” Just their wallets.
12-16-2023, 11:36 AM
#1367
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2020
Posts: 1,891
Come on guys..let’s be honest here. WN and HAL aren’t non-profit companies. There isn’t one airline that wouldn’t jack prices up to monopolize a market.
If WN ever ran off HAL then those $59 fares would also run off. Sorry but southwest doesn’t have the people of anywhere’s interest at “heart.” Just their wallets.
If WN ever ran off HAL then those $59 fares would also run off. Sorry but southwest doesn’t have the people of anywhere’s interest at “heart.” Just their wallets.
12-16-2023, 12:04 PM
#1368
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,160
12-17-2023, 03:38 PM
#1370
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 78
Inner Island... that was perfect
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