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12-14-2023, 08:19 AM

#1351

ridinhigh

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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784

Anyone know the load factors AVG on the interisland SWA flights vs the HA 717s? Curious to see what SWA thinks of of all this.

HA has a +30% advantage on the LF

12-14-2023, 01:30 PM

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Smooth at FL450

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Originally Posted by ridinhigh

HA has a +30% advantage on the LF

swa would probably rather be operating the -7 inner island so don't put too much weight into that LF comparsion when we are getting the -8 at -7 prices.

12-14-2023, 01:55 PM

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Hawaii808

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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

swa would probably rather be operating the -7 inner island so don't put too much weight into that LF comparsion when we are getting the -8 at -7 prices.

50% load factor is not gonna make money no matter what airplane they fly. And it’s INTER-island. Not inner island.

12-14-2023, 03:20 PM

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Smooth at FL450

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Originally Posted by Hawaii808

50% load factor is not gonna make money no matter what airplane they fly. And it’s INTER-island. Not inner island.

lol inter or inner, who cares. There is an entire network to make money within, and inter island is a small piece of the pie.

12-14-2023, 03:22 PM

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ExperimentalAB

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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

lol inter or inner, who cares. There is an entire network to make money within, and inner island is a small piece of the pie.

“Inner” island is just not the right word, that’s why. You’d think a pilot would understand the need for the right words at the right time.

12-14-2023, 03:35 PM

#1356

Smooth at FL450

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

“Inner” island is just not the right word, that’s why. You’d think a pilot would understand the need for the right words at the right time.

sure. You can have that.

so what does LF tell us about yields? Was HAL 50% more profitable?

12-14-2023, 04:25 PM

#1357

PineappleXpres

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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

lol inter or inner, who cares. There is an entire network to make money within, and inter island is a small piece of the pie.

News flash, you are not making money. Just predatory

12-14-2023, 06:59 PM

#1358

GreenPatures

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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784

Anyone know the load factors AVG on the interisland SWA flights vs the HA 717s? Curious to see what SWA thinks of of all this.

Last brief I saw showed 84% (HA) to 34% (SWA). And that is with SWA low balling the prices even...they keep pushing $39 fares to try to fill seats at a loss and are still getting 34% LFs, they charge $220+ for similar distances (e.g. DAL-AUS) in the mainland, it was an attempt to put HA out of business in their backbone, they poached the COO and went after it and if they had been succesful they would have jacked up prices to the same they charge for similar leg lengths on the mainland and ****ed off all the Hawaiians in the end. Funny that it is one of the factors that pressurized the situation that led to the merger of AS and HA so I think it backfired on SWA in that regard, they just made a larger / stronger company in the end instead of putting HA out of business.