flyprdu

No. I get you perfectly. You feel that a person cannot legitimately change their pronouns. Doesn't matter what they do to make their appearance match their identities.

It will always be a joke to you.

flyprdu

Shy with another quality post.

ExperimentalAB

Yeah, see…that’s how it used to work. The left and their victim-culture crusade has changed the game - it is no longer the intent but rather its reception that matters. That means anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion, aka “the mob.” No free society can operate like this for long.

flyprdu

It's funny how you attack victim culture while sounding like... A victim.

Without evidence of actual terminations happening because of a misgendering, your post will only be a rant caused by hysteria and too much internet.

avi8er

it is true they never furlough. But they did send out Warn letters just couple of weeks before Christmas to 1221 pilots as a Christmas bonus.

ShyGuy

Wow someone is really taking it personal.


So here's the thing. I know a pilot who wrote on an issue related to travel benefits (!) in the Pulse comment section, and was accused by a FA of needing sensitivity training because obviously, that FA did not agree with the viewpoint the pilot had written. The following day that pilot received a phone call from the travel department to clarify the issue, but was advised right at the beginning of the phone call that an individual from HR was also on the line.


That was the last time that pilot ever posted on Pulse.


So say what you want, but the reality remains is that things go good when your opinion matches and is generally accepted by the society where you're located. In the context, it's progressive society.




Another case in point. Years ago, Southwest had a pilot do the G-G-G rant. That was despicable, sure, but I don't think he should have been fired. Get an ass chewing, told to never do it again, apologize to your crew, and get out of the CP office now. Since that happened over 10 yrs ago, it was precisely what happened. In the end he kept his job, had to apologize, etc. If a G-G-G rant happened today, you can bet that pilot would be terminated. It would spread like wild fire on social media and the airline would see no choice but to clean up.



Look at the AA pilot that had a #FJB badge on his bag. A hashtag of three letters, and one pax blasted it on twitter, and AA went into full investigation mode. Would that have POed a Trump type person, say, in DFW? Probably not. But in a place like SFO, LAX, JFK? Probably. Now I will say obviously we all know what FJB means and I am not for that type of language no matter what I feel about the POTUS. Personally, I wouldn't wear that badge on my bag. That said, lets call it for what it is: a political statement. The flip side is, some companies (most companies) have made some political statements "ok" to wear. An example would be BLM. Problem is, that too creates a problem because not everyone supports that. Which goes back to the point, as long as it's accepted by a society at large, then it makes it ok.



I honestly want no part in it. I don't ever plan to wear any political pin, any gender identity pin, badge, sticker, etc. I have just the crew tags on my bags that identify my name and phone #.

flyprdu

Without posting what he wrote, we only have your word that what he said was appropriate.



100% speculation on your part. There you go getting in the minds of others again.


You're equivocating. Not all political statements are equal. "FJB" is vulgar and unprofessional, no matter your position. The Rainbow Flag isn't equal to a Nazi flag. I'm disappointed how low you had to reach for this one.

Writes a 500 word post about it.

You've gone off the rails and deep into politics. I dare not follow you except to point out your most blatant hypocrisies.

ShyGuy

The Pulse comment was basically an Alaska pilot writing that he didn't believe a QX FA coming to AS as FA should now get their QX DOH for travel benefits, and that on the pilot side of things, when pilots left a regional airline to the mainline partner, their travel benefit DOH does not carry over. That comment set off the FA, and the FA said the AS pilot needed sensitivity training.



It's true though. Are you really claiming you could not decipher a hypothetical situation and know whether or not a pilot stood a chance to remain employed after it happened?

That's a fair take on FJB. Like I said, I don't agree with the tone of it. Someone else may believe that BLM is unprofessional, especially if they happen to have LE in their family. I didn't say a single thing about a rainbow flag or a nazi flag? Where did rainbows and nazis come in? All I said is I don't have any pins or badges for any political group and that I don't want to wear or put on a bag anything that could be construed political - how is that not the most neutral thing to do?

Off the rails? I thought the points I presented on this topic (political pins and badges) are fairly neutral - I'll let others be the judge.

ExperimentalAB

Try principled nuanced, and cautious maybe. But I do admire a progressive’s “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” approach. Good on you…but if you can’t see how literally anybody could fall victim to changing political winds in this brave new culture - even your venerable self, I’m not interested in discussing further.

All Bizniz

I sincerely hope that atm, if someone unintentionally misgenders someone, and the issue is raised to HR (People Dept?), it'll simply be a quick phone call reminding the "offender" to mind their Ps and Qs.

However, it appears that if it's a case where they are deliberately misgendering another, even because of a sincerely held religious belief, then they are on definitely a slippery slope wrt to termination.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-can-employers-do-about-employees-6007132/

If you have to die on a hill, make sure it's worth it.