snackysmores

What if the apple doesn't believe it's an apple, but rather a tomato?

flyprdu

If the fruit had an opinion on what to call itself, then we should probably listen to the tomato.

snackysmores

Is there anywhere you draw the line with this?

nice edit

flyprdu

How about right here. Talking vegetables.
Fair enough for you?

All Bizniz

I have a nephew in his 20s who is as masculine, and as heterosexual as they come, and for him and his generation, this he/we/they pronoun thingy is just a normal part of the demographic fabric of our society. No big deal to them.

I struggle to come to grips with it because from my "traditional" perspective, it really seems absurd that you can literally choose to be called whatever you feel like you wanna be called, (you can even add, mix n match, and change it up too), and people face the risk of being canceled if they somehow fail to comply with your wishes.

I understand that society's values and standards evolve with the passage of time, but man!

I am empathetic to certain circumstances though, therefore, I just stay in my lane and try not to get a coronary over it.

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated...

snackysmores

No, I want to know how far clown world logic goes. If a 45 year old man believes he is 16 should he be allowed to to attend high school? Date minors?

The vegetable thing was your example.

ExperimentalAB

Absolutely not. Calling an apple an orange, for example, would not risk extreme social ostracism, the loss of a job, or even jail-time. Let the Gen-Z crowd do as they please, but to force such a drastic societal change creates instability. I’m all for change, and have always thrived on it, but when you start pulling on a thread of the social-fabric that keeps society humming, then I have a problem with it. I’m grateful for the founding fathers’ brilliance and foresight, intentionally creating a system of checks and balances and mild-dysfunction that slows change to a more palatable change. I don’t care enough to want to change your mind, but don’t pretend it’s liberal of you to not respect a differing opinion. Seems to me those that fall left of centrist-left are literally clueless when it comes to basic human nature - they’re the leftist authoritarians masquerading as enlightened liberals.

flyprdu

The same logic could be applied to using the N word. Do you have a problem with that too? Is that compelled speech?

By not recognizing someone's sex, chosen or not, you are deliberately attacking who they are.

All Bizniz

The clueless are on both sides.

ExperimentalAB

That is not compelled speech. It is a perfect example of something so disgusting that society has made it nearly-unacceptable to say. And I never said I wouldn’t recognize a preferred pronoun, because I wouldn’t be rude - again, there are rules to polite society (something the left can’t seem to understand). But the coerced use of language by threat is a dangerous precedent and carve-out to the idea of freedom.