flyprdu

Ah, the good old standby when all your arguments fail.

It's disingenuous to even suggest that with the current seniority system. We'd rather work to improve this airline, thank you.

Don't be an obstacle.

rickair7777

Frankly, if you're under 50 (55?), with less than five years seniority it's very hard not to make a financial and QOL case for any of the Big 3 who will hire you (or cargo if you like that). Only excuse to stay would really be family circumstances, or financially secure and lazy. Or own a business in Portland. Or lazy and hoping to be acquired by somebody with a better contract (that's starting to look like anybody).

If you are staying, by all means man the oars and work for improvement.

NorthwestAA

I would make that the Big 2. Coming to AA would not be a good idea. Things here are not good. That is unless you like manning oars. Then by all means come on over

flyprdu

If you're unlucky, this is what changing airlines could be like. It's all a gamble based on hunches and hairs on the back of your neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfipAgNRDx0

rickair7777

Normally, yes. But the retirements are happening, period. Worst case we go to age 67 domestic, and then you still get your WB slot on schedule.

NewGuy01

Wow so we are back nothing economically bad will ever happen again huh?

I think this is even more bizzaro than getting upset with someone for having a different opinion of the same employer.


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rickair7777

I'm not upset.

Black swans are always possible but the AA retirement numbers more than make up for any previous economic furlough precedent in history. IMO if it's bad enough that you get a long-term furlough at AA with all of the retirements, you'd still be furloughed from another airline which has few retirements. Unless something happened specifically to AA... like TX secedes from the union and AA can no longer do domestic ops to other states

NewGuy01

Every time I update my UA app another fear mongering news story about the latest strain of the Rona comes out.

It’s not a matter of where one stands politically or how one views masks or vaccinations. That horse has been mashed to hamburger.

It’s just that tomorrow our economy could be shut down again and there would zero remorse from almost everyone I interact with here in Seattle that isn’t involved with aviation. In fact they’d be stoked because it would mean they could work from home even longer. Hourly service workers, including pilots be damned.

The decision makers are largely immune from their decisions and that at least for me, is a big consideration when thinking of giving up 4 years of seniority. I’m even safe from OTZs predictions on furlough. It’s a lot to just cast aside.


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rickair7777

I don't think further large-scale lockdowns are in the cards, come hell or high water. Most people are over it, many of them would be very angry (and vote accordingly), and some would get violent.

The pols are actually scared to go there IMO. They don't want the political blowback, or the economic blowback. In the US at least.

Vaccines keep people out of the hospital so the fear is way down, and the ones who don't want the vaccines weren't scared to begin with.

NewGuy01

I’m not going to try and predict the future but I’m not being optimistic


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