ShyGuy

Does anyone know since Oct 31 falls on Sunday, is the ESPP going to purchase on today's stock price or on Monday 11/1 stock price? Which date gets locked in?

SierraDelta

Interesting comparison of what it's like at AS vs others.

https://youtu.be/fwhjHXCXlAI

dereliction

Shame to lose good people who wanted to stay here. It's a good video and sad that our work rules and working conditions led to this. Hopefully that will change by the end of this contract cycle.

cesnacaptn

Although it doesn’t specify which date is used in this scenario, all of the ESPP literature, including the prospectus, indicate the purchase price date and FMV is 10/31. So, it must be the market close price on 10/29. The close price on 11/1 will be used as the offering date FMV for the next period.

rainyday

So you are never able to drop anything at AS? And what besides scope is way behind standard.

OTZeagle1

I am sorry but if you are going to sell this narrative, make sure it’s sold honestly. I am sure many have left because of scope, pay, and scheduling but not MW. I loved flying with MW but come on. Days into his Alaska career, we are out at dinner and I said “so you moving west?” He said “No, I am just going to commute from ORD”. I said really, “so what is it UAL, AAL, or SWA.” He gave me a giant MW smile and said “United.” I am very happy for him, he drives to work now, but he never intended to stay here. It was never pay, scope, or scheduling… we simply didn’t have a Chicago base. Talk about a false narrative. Put a real honest story out there, don’t sell a lie…. I thought we were the honest ones, I thought we were better then that🤔.

h8ngman

No minimum day credit, reserve days off aren’t tied to a calendar day, and the swap flexibility on your schedule is based on staffing goalpost which seem to change with the wind. It isn’t the worst place in the world but there’s LOTS of room for improvement.

conquestdz

Out of my new hire class of 6 only 3 of us are still here. They all found greener pastures, and commute was only a factor for one of them.

GearBoy

I left after Kasher and I am glad that I did. I turned in my resignation to Barry R., the then LAX BCP. The almost 35% pay cut was bad but there were so many more things that were horrible, life-ruining

I still stay in touch with my ALASKA buddies. One of them sent me a link to the video. Sadly like Arctichicken, a lot of them express that if they had to do it all over again they would’ve left or should’ve never gone to Alaska in the first place. These guys are all captains now.

When I first got there, all of the old-timers told me jokes that didn’t make sense to me, at the time. They used to tell me that the wheel at Alaska still had four sides and that the Company ran the airline with a number two pencil, that it was all image and no substance, the biggest regional on the west coast. A family? Yes, a dysfunctional family that eats it’s young- It all turned-out to be true. We used to say, “At Alaska, we are number one, “ and held up six fingers.

Management was anti-pilot. B.J,, R.S., J.W., C.M, and the likes were all in Pilot Resource Management. I was not an asset to be maximized but a liability to be minimized. There was a history of firing pilot advocates. The list of chief pilots and vice presidents of flight ops who had gone to bat for pilots only to be fired by the Company for doing so was long and distinguished.

Post-Benito, everything was metrics. The only thing the company understood was costs, especially due to canceled flights.. Now that your egomaniacal rumored philanderer Mini Douchebag is in charge, you get the same metrics with an even more adversarial anti-labor perspective.

I do not think you guys and gals are going to get a better contract until those metrics are adversely effected. People need to start leaving in droves like they did years ago when you got rid of b scale. Alaska needs to no longer be able to attract and retain “qualified pilots.” Flights need to cancel.

When I was there, the closest the Alaska pilots ever came to growing a pair of cojones was one ping. Maybe the guys who remember can bring it back, stop enabling a broken operation.

In my opinion, the Union was too weak and conciliatory to management. Too many of the Union officers and volunteers wanted to be across the street or on the second floor. The Union never wanted to appear unreasonable in the eyes an arbitrator or a mediator. So, the Union always seemed to ask for what they thought was reasonable only to settle for less than reasonable. On top of that, too many pilots were doing VSA during negotiations. Even then and former Union volunteers were rumored to have been doing it.. The word on the street was that it was OK to do VSA until the Union put out a “This is What the Company Thinks of You” update. The pilots were supposed the read between the lines, IMO.

In their Union Road Shows, the Union swayed and convinced pilots to vote yes on inferior TA’s. They used their time value of money arguments, saying that they believed the pilots deserved better but that it would take too much time to get it. So, they recommended that you take the money rather than hold out for a better deal. A big problem with accepting a weak TA was that it became the starting point for your next contract and you’re then became even more behind. After years of settling, you guys and gals now find yourself years behind, so far behind that nothing short of a strike will get you there, so it seems.

From what I have read, not much has changed. Again, in retrospect leaving was the best thing I did. I only wish that I would not have gone there in the first place. I wasted career time at Alaska, and more importantly time away from my wife and children, needlessly.

I wish that there would have been an Arctichicken telling me to run.

run away, run far away.

Take heed

fucius

False narrative… ummm, no. I know him personally, as well as several others who took the “leap of faith”. It was a tough choice because most of us love the idea of “doing the RIGHT thing” that the company is selling, although we find again and again that it’s currently not reality. Alaska is a well run company, with great people, but management has been contractually abusing this pilot group for almost a decade. As long as management’s “business” mentality remains the same, our contract will remain unattractive, and uncompetitive with other major airlines’, and most LCC contracts.


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