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Old 07-31-2021, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
In the case of Tranny, SWA was in a position to threaten to liquidate the airline to force the pilots to *voluntarily* accept a very adverse SLI to avoid liquidation and unemployment.
Much of Rickair’s post is correct—but the above statement is incorrect. The kompany may have implied the SLI was as good as it was going to get/ntegration was going to be delayed—but no chance of a liquidation.

Everyone has their opinion of who got the better end of the deal between FAT and RSA pilots. My observation is that there are plenty of both who believe they got screwed—so the final deal is somewhat close to what should have happened. Just hope to not go through another - even though a merger with AS would be relatively harmless for east coast employees like myself.
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Old 07-31-2021, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bwipilot
Much of Rickair’s post is correct—but the above statement is incorrect. The kompany may have implied the SLI was as good as it was going to get/ntegration was going to be delayed—but no chance of a liquidation.

Everyone has their opinion of who got the better end of the deal between FAT and RSA pilots. My observation is that there are plenty of both who believe they got screwed—so the final deal is somewhat close to what should have happened. Just hope to not go through another - even though a merger with AS would be relatively harmless for east coast employees like myself.
Incorrect and not factual. GK stated that “If the SLI threatens our culture, we will consider non-integration”. I love how you guys just make up these false narratives.

Alaska pilots: if SWA buys you, TAKE IT TO ARBITRATION and don’t fall for the threats.
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Old 07-31-2021, 02:54 PM
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That advice is against Alaska Airlines Pilots SOP. The current SOP is to fall for managements threats and do what’s good for the company, not the pilot.. so in the unlikely event of a SWA acquisition of As, SWA pilots will gain massively off the backs of Alaskan pilots caving to management pressure
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Incorrect and not factual. GK stated that “If the SLI threatens our culture, we will consider non-integration”. I love how you guys just make up these false narratives.

Alaska pilots: if SWA buys you, TAKE IT TO ARBITRATION and don’t fall for the threats.
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Old 07-31-2021, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
That advice is against Alaska Airlines Pilots SOP. The current SOP is to fall for managements threats and do what’s good for the company, not the pilot.. so in the unlikely event of a SWA acquisition of As, SWA pilots will gain massively off the backs of Alaskan pilots caving to management pressure
Not any longer, with so many of those characters taking the REIL, the majority in place now doesn’t think that anymore. There are still a few left in SEA but it’s not the majority soooooo we have a chance finally…
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Old 08-01-2021, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Incorrect and not factual. GK stated that “If the SLI threatens our culture, we will consider non-integration”. I love how you guys just make up these false narratives.

Alaska pilots: if SWA buys you, TAKE IT TO ARBITRATION and don’t fall for the threats.
As to Whack’s advice to AS pilots; I believe this is prolly the one thing to learn from the SWA-AT hookup. If the first offer wasn’t palatable (hindsight can assist in judgement, yea or nay), would an arbitrator have decided anything close to what came to be?

For the record, I hope WN chases organic growth vs merger. Go for markets, but not the whole enchilada. I hope to someday be off Forever Reserve.
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Old 08-05-2021, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvsTacos
So is there a merger happening with SWA or what?
I thought it was HAL? Or wasn’t it a 3 way marriage with Jet Blue, Alaska, & HAL?
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Old 08-05-2021, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by YangGang2020
I thought it was HAL? Or wasn’t it a 3 way marriage with Jet Blue, Alaska, & HAL?
I think HAL is more likely, if AS is in the driver's seat.

If SWA decided to buy a big block of growth (gates, slots, 737's, and MAX positions) that might not be the Eskimo's call.
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Old 08-06-2021, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think HAL is more likely, if AS is in the driver's seat.

If SWA decided to buy a big block of growth (gates, slots, 737's, and MAX positions) that might not be the Eskimo's call.
Then what happens with Horizon & Skywest as our (SWA) scope would prohibit them. Hmmmm. That might be a deal killer.
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Old 08-06-2021, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Then what happens with Horizon & Skywest as our (SWA) scope would prohibit them. Hmmmm. That might be a deal killer.
Is it worth it to SWA to buy out OO's relatively short-term contract?

Could QX be sold off at a reasonable wash? Or simply liquidated if their assets have value?

Would SWAPA allow QX/OO flying to remain during integration for an orderly wind-down? Maybe if they thought the SLI would go in their favor?

Not show-stoppers, all could be hashed out.
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Old 08-06-2021, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Is it worth it to SWA to buy out OO's relatively short-term contract?

Could QX be sold off at a reasonable wash? Or simply liquidated if their assets have value?

Would SWAPA allow QX/OO flying to remain during integration for an orderly wind-down? Maybe if they thought the SLI would go in their favor?

Not show-stoppers, all could be hashed out.
good questions- IMO as a SWAPA member I would not agree to allowing skywest or Horizon to continue to fly for AS the day after being bought. There is a reason we have good scope and I'd like to keep it that way.
however, I dont believe sw is buying AS or anybody for that matter. I think they are going huge on organic growth.
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