Yikes...
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Captain B-737
Posts: 290
I’m a Captain at Alaska and Paul is a friend of mine. I find all of this very hard to believe. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I am saying that this is an extraordinary claim and there better be proof. Paul has adopted children out of very hard circumstances and from my direct experience with him, this kind of behavior is utterly unimaginable. I’m awaiting the results of a fair and comprehensive investigation before I decide what to believe. If he did it, he should be in prison. If she’s lying to protect her career, she’s the one who belongs in prison. We’ll see. What a fk’ed up situation.
#82
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 534
From what I can tell she seems to have done everything right and I’d be proud to fly with her….
#83
Some of the responses I'm reading in this thread are beyond reprehensible....and frankly, they speak more to the lack of morals and character of the authors than anything else.
This is a woman who, excluding a quick stop at Horizon, went straight from the military to Alaska Airlines where she was a NEW HIRE. All of her training would have led her to speak of the incident to her supervisors within the airline. Frankly, I'm amazed she spoke to ALPA at all and am wondering what was done from their end, if anything at all. She was clearly loathe to subject her employer to the horrendous publicity this would generate. And there is not a woman alive who doesn't understand the victim-shaming that automatically accompanies a rape charge, whether the perpetrator ends up in prison or not. She knew darned good and well what would happen to her career: men she worked with every day would now be calling her a ***** who must try to sleep with every captain she flies with (so don't talk to her! call in sick, don't fly with her!); she must have worn suggestive clothing to lure him into bed (because what woman wouldn't be dying to get into this guy's pants?); she was looking for a payout (instead of wanting to continue a very distinguished career); she was capitalizing on the MeToo movement.....yes, she knew every disgusting statement that would follow her for the rest of her career, even if she went to another carrier. Everyone is getting a good preview of the smear campaign against her. All women know how these things go down. I'm quite certain that the only reason a lawsuit was filed the other day was because she finally realized how naive she had been to believe the company was going to take care of the problem.
While I agree with those who have mentioned that, statistically speaking, this wasn't the first time this guy had pulled similar stunts (I have a family member who has flown with this captain in years past and says he is "not surprised at all" with the current accusations), I am confident that part of his employee file was shredded within an hour of the lawsuit being filed.
Despite the uphill battle she is facing, the good news is that the good ol' boys club that at one time would have rallied to protect this guy at all costs is a thing of the past as the dinosaurs retire/die off, leaving behind only a handful of self-righteous, angry cowards who are only brave enough to spew their hateful missives in anonymous internet forums. The new generation of pilots replacing them has little patience for those who lack a moral compass and they are not okay with silence, preferring instead to call out reprehensible behaviors. Times are changing.
ETA: I've been checking in/reading the forums here for a good many years and this is the first time I've ever been disgusted enough to actually write a response. Because enough is enough.
This is a woman who, excluding a quick stop at Horizon, went straight from the military to Alaska Airlines where she was a NEW HIRE. All of her training would have led her to speak of the incident to her supervisors within the airline. Frankly, I'm amazed she spoke to ALPA at all and am wondering what was done from their end, if anything at all. She was clearly loathe to subject her employer to the horrendous publicity this would generate. And there is not a woman alive who doesn't understand the victim-shaming that automatically accompanies a rape charge, whether the perpetrator ends up in prison or not. She knew darned good and well what would happen to her career: men she worked with every day would now be calling her a ***** who must try to sleep with every captain she flies with (so don't talk to her! call in sick, don't fly with her!); she must have worn suggestive clothing to lure him into bed (because what woman wouldn't be dying to get into this guy's pants?); she was looking for a payout (instead of wanting to continue a very distinguished career); she was capitalizing on the MeToo movement.....yes, she knew every disgusting statement that would follow her for the rest of her career, even if she went to another carrier. Everyone is getting a good preview of the smear campaign against her. All women know how these things go down. I'm quite certain that the only reason a lawsuit was filed the other day was because she finally realized how naive she had been to believe the company was going to take care of the problem.
While I agree with those who have mentioned that, statistically speaking, this wasn't the first time this guy had pulled similar stunts (I have a family member who has flown with this captain in years past and says he is "not surprised at all" with the current accusations), I am confident that part of his employee file was shredded within an hour of the lawsuit being filed.
Despite the uphill battle she is facing, the good news is that the good ol' boys club that at one time would have rallied to protect this guy at all costs is a thing of the past as the dinosaurs retire/die off, leaving behind only a handful of self-righteous, angry cowards who are only brave enough to spew their hateful missives in anonymous internet forums. The new generation of pilots replacing them has little patience for those who lack a moral compass and they are not okay with silence, preferring instead to call out reprehensible behaviors. Times are changing.
ETA: I've been checking in/reading the forums here for a good many years and this is the first time I've ever been disgusted enough to actually write a response. Because enough is enough.
Wow, you’ve got some issues. You should get help.
#84
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 131
If you woke up in a hotel room as she did and absolutely knew you were drugged and raped, as she described it......the first thing you would do is....go back to work?
Maybe i'm being naive here, but my first call in such a cut and dry incident, as it has been described by her, is to go straight to the police and file a report. Hotel camera footage, key cards, time stamps, possibly even physical evidence from both of them, witnesses, sworn statements, whatever is available, is collected immediately.
#85
#86
She didn’t even have an opportunity to return to work. While she was dazed and confused, the FODO had pulled both of them off the operational leg and deadheaded them to SEA.
#88
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 534
I don't mean this as an attack at all, this is a genuine question.
If you woke up in a hotel room as she did and absolutely knew you were drugged and raped, as she described it......the first thing you would do is....go back to work?
Maybe i'm being naive here, but my first call in such a cut and dry incident, as it has been described by her, is to go straight to the police and file a report. Hotel camera footage, key cards, time stamps, possibly even physical evidence from both of them, witnesses, sworn statements, whatever is available, is collected immediately.
If you woke up in a hotel room as she did and absolutely knew you were drugged and raped, as she described it......the first thing you would do is....go back to work?
Maybe i'm being naive here, but my first call in such a cut and dry incident, as it has been described by her, is to go straight to the police and file a report. Hotel camera footage, key cards, time stamps, possibly even physical evidence from both of them, witnesses, sworn statements, whatever is available, is collected immediately.
Regardless, to your point, I’d really like to think what you say above is exactly what I’d do, particularly now as a somewhat older person…but I don’t know. As a somewhat younger person I’m fairly confidant I WOULDN’T “process” it quick enough to call the police the next morning, etc. It’d take awhile.
Think about it, the next day you’re still sick, maybe not exactly sure what happened, denial….this COULDN’T be happening, you’re always in control, not a victim. You just want to get the F out of there, go home. Forget about the police / the company, I wouldn’t think you’d want to talk to anyone at this point.
I guess I just tend to believe a person of this distinction wouldn’t just make something like this up…
#89
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,210
... Yet another reason to never be overly intoxicated on a work trip, male or female.
What a mess. Here's to hoping justice will be served.
What a mess. Here's to hoping justice will be served.
#90
This thread makes me embarrassed to be part of this industry. Unless you have been raped before, please stop saying how YOU would handle it.
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