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Old 04-05-2018, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Preventing embarrassment is not a legal justification for assault, unlawful detention, or kidnapping. If he admits that, he's going to jail.

For all we know the local jurisdiction already considered and rejected criminal charges due to lack of evidence or lack of a solid case.

There are jurisdiction issues here. Maybe her attorney wanted to sue the company and not the CA because he's admitted in WA, not MN. Anything between the two pilots, civil or criminal, would be in MN jurisdiction since that's where it happened. Employer/ employee matters would be in WA.
Yes, but she is suing the company because she didn't like their decision. There is no criminal complaint in the matter. I don't know what Alaska's policy on sexual harassment is, but I assume that's what she is trying to get him terminated on violating.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:26 AM
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Yes, but she is suing the company because she didn't like their decision. There is no criminal complaint in the matter. I don't know what Alaska's policy on sexual harassment is, but I assume that's what she is trying to get him terminated on violating.
The DA with jurisdiction hasn't filed a criminal complaint. That doesn't mean he didn't consider it, or that an investigation isn't in progress, or that the victim didn't request that the DA pursue the matter. None of that is public info until it goes to a grand jury.

Contrary to popular belief, victims do not "press charges", the DA does that. I think a few jurisdictions allow a victim to present their case to a grand jury if the DA does not.

DAs only pursue cases they can win, although sometimes they have to try a high visibility case regardless due to politics.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You're obviously over emotional about this situation. However, can you not see how she put the company between a rock and a hard place, by not going to the Police? She doesn't like the decision the company made, when she put her faith in the company to handle the situation, and her story didn't seem fully plausible?

BTW, if you interview at Delta, they will ask you about a drunk crewmemeber, and you could bomb your interview if you don't say you would help protect the company.
I can’t see where SHE put the company between a rock and a hard place at all. HE certainly did.

And why don’t you drop by the Delta HR shop and tell them you’ll assault and illegally imprison any Delta employees who you think might embarrass the company. I’m sure they’ll be overjoyed to hear it.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:04 AM
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I can’t see where SHE put the company between a rock and a hard place at all. HE certainly did.
Betty said she filed the lawsuit after the company inquired why she didn't file a police report.
From the Seattle Times:

Finally in December, Pina said, Alaska’s Seattle base chief informed her that she’d soon be allowed to return to the cockpit. He also asked her: “Betty, let me ask you this, why didn’t you press charges?” Pina recalled.
“And until that moment, I thought telling my company and my supervisor is all I needed to do,” Pina said. “I was shocked when he said that."
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:08 AM
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And what if he/she did? Even cops are hesitant about getting involved in a domestic dispute, especially a drunken domestic dispute where they can take fire from either side. Do you expect every anonymous hotel room guest to play the part of Sir Lancelot and break down the door to come to the aid of the damsel in distress? Or even call hotel management or the cops?

It ain't gonna happen.
Uh....yes. I'm not going to ignore someone getting attacked in the next room, and I sincerely doubt that hotel security would, if called. In addition, many times crewmembers are in hotel rooms near each other, so it's very possible that the person in the room next to you is another crewmember. Possibly getting attacked. You'd better bet I'd do something about it, and it's pretty dang easy just to pick up the phone and make a call.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugar
If you have access to PACER, you can access it in real-time.
PACER is for Federal Court. How are you accessing a case in King County Superior Court in the Federal System.....

The PACER service provides on-line access to U.S. Appellate, District, and Bankruptcy court records and documents nationwide. The PACER Service Center is the Federal Judiciary's centralized registration, billing, and technical support center for PACER.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:30 AM
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Uh....yes. I'm not going to ignore someone getting attacked in the next room,
That's great for you, but there are a lot of people in the world who would not feel comfortable intervening. Look at that American Airlines video of the passenger and FA fighting with the CA awkwardly standing there. Sure it is not the same thing but it shows how some people can't take decisive action in stressful situations.

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and I sincerely doubt that hotel security would, if called.
The few times I have called the hotel about loud guests, they seem to do nothing. They take a long time to respond and by the time they get there, the guests are quiet. From their point of view, the majority of calls they get are false alarms. Also, they don't get all the details. The receptionist probably just called security and asked them to check on the room. I doubt they were told that someone might be getting raped.

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In addition, many times crewmembers are in hotel rooms near each other, so it's very possible that the person in the room next to you is another crewmember. Possibly getting attacked.
So are you saying the guest who placed the call was a crew member? Most the hotels I stay at crew members are not kept together. Even if they were, that shouldn't matter.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
PACER is for Federal Court. How are you accessing a case in King County Superior Court in the Federal System.....

The PACER service provides on-line access to U.S. Appellate, District, and Bankruptcy court records and documents nationwide. The PACER Service Center is the Federal Judiciary's centralized registration, billing, and technical support center for PACER.
Because the cause occurred across state lines, the case that the Minnesota DA has filed (yes, you read that right) has made it into PACER.
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Originally Posted by Lugar
You can’t copy/paste from PACER. So I’d have to manually type each line. Sorry, I don’t have the time to do that for 26 pages.

The guest heard the altercation and called hotel security who went to the room. This was just after 1 AM. Ther was no answer at the door and it was assumed by the hotel security officer that it was an inaccurate report.
Bull. Here is what I cut and pasted from PACER in another case involving someone with the last name Pina from Puerto Rico:

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF PUERTO RICO
RAFAEL PINA, WORLD MANAGEMENT
LATINO CORP., WORLD MUSIC LATINO
CORP.,
PLAINTIFFS,
VS.
TONY FELICIANO RIVERA D/B/A “TONY
DIZE”, RAYMOND BRUNO DIAZ D/B/A
“DJ MEMO” AND JOSE ECHEANDIA,
JOHN DOE, MARY DOE, XYZ INC., ABC,
INC., COMPANY ABC,
DEFENDANTS.
CIVIL NO.: 3:11 CV 02217 GAG
BREACH OF CONTRACT, COPYRIGHT
INFRINGMENT, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF,
TORTIOUS DECEIT
DEFENDANTS’ RESPONSE AND MEMORANDUM OF LAW
IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS’ URGENT MOTION REQUESTING
PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIVE RELIEF HEARING
COME NOW Defendants, Tony Feliciano Rivera (“Feliciano”), Raymond Diaz Bruno
(“Diaz”), and Jose Echeandia (“Echeandia”), collectively, “Defendants,” by and through the
undersigned counsel, and hereby file this response and memorandum of law in opposition to
Plaintiffs’ Urgent Motion Requesting Preliminary Injunctive Relief Hearing (the “Motion” or
“Motion Requesting Preliminary Injunctive Relief Hearing”). In opposition to the Motion,
Defendants respectfully STATE and PRAY as follows:
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Bull. Here is what I cut and pasted from PACER in another case involving someone with the last name Pina from Puerto Rico:

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF PUERTO RICO
RAFAEL PINA, WORLD MANAGEMENT
LATINO CORP., WORLD MUSIC LATINO
CORP.,
PLAINTIFFS,
VS.
TONY FELICIANO RIVERA D/B/A “TONY
DIZE”, RAYMOND BRUNO DIAZ D/B/A
“DJ MEMO” AND JOSE ECHEANDIA,
JOHN DOE, MARY DOE, XYZ INC., ABC,
INC., COMPANY ABC,
DEFENDANTS.
CIVIL NO.: 3:11 CV 02217 GAG
BREACH OF CONTRACT, COPYRIGHT
INFRINGMENT, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF,
TORTIOUS DECEIT
DEFENDANTS’ RESPONSE AND MEMORANDUM OF LAW
IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS’ URGENT MOTION REQUESTING
PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIVE RELIEF HEARING
COME NOW Defendants, Tony Feliciano Rivera (“Feliciano”), Raymond Diaz Bruno
(“Diaz”), and Jose Echeandia (“Echeandia”), collectively, “Defendants,” by and through the
undersigned counsel, and hereby file this response and memorandum of law in opposition to
Plaintiffs’ Urgent Motion Requesting Preliminary Injunctive Relief Hearing (the “Motion” or
“Motion Requesting Preliminary Injunctive Relief Hearing”). In opposition to the Motion,
Defendants respectfully STATE and PRAY as follows:
Tell me how to copy & paste a PDF from PACER please?
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