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Just thinking. If they were both pulled from duty for drinking and making another crew member go as far as contacting the company stating why they were uncomfortable, wouldn't a drug and alcohol test be conducted after the deadheading back to base? Wouldn't that prove what drugs if any is found in her system under 24 hours.
If a passenger had accused the crew of drinking to the point where they are taken from the trip and sent back to base, I would hope a drug and alcohol test is done instead of a carpet dance to prove for or against the accusation. With that said, I would hope their Chief Pilot Office would have enough common sense to do the same if you are being reported by another crew member because these types of things just don't happen every day
Quest Diagnostic or whoever conduct this required DOT drug and alcohol test should have proof if any or what drugs were in her system if she was drugged.
If a passenger had accused the crew of drinking to the point where they are taken from the trip and sent back to base, I would hope a drug and alcohol test is done instead of a carpet dance to prove for or against the accusation. With that said, I would hope their Chief Pilot Office would have enough common sense to do the same if you are being reported by another crew member because these types of things just don't happen every day
Quest Diagnostic or whoever conduct this required DOT drug and alcohol test should have proof if any or what drugs were in her system if she was drugged.
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Nope. They test for five categories of drugs only. None of the drugs most commonly used for date rape are included:
As per DOT regulations 49 CFR Part 40 the DOT panel now looks like this:
Marijuana metabolites
Cocaine metabolites
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Opioids (codeine, heroin, morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodonea and hydromorphone)
Amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA & MDA)
As per DOT regulations 49 CFR Part 40 the DOT panel now looks like this:
Marijuana metabolites
Cocaine metabolites
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Opioids (codeine, heroin, morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodonea and hydromorphone)
Amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA & MDA)
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I'm not focusing on the blacking out/memory loss, these drugs interfere with GABA receptors in the brain. It's the unconscious vomiting, ability to make it back to her room, after a call with ALPA at 2:46 am, and her next morning of being extremely hungover with immediate vomiting upon ingestion of any fluids, are not know side effects of Benzos. You still have to drink heavily to have the results she is describing. However, if her drinking was heavy enough, then all of her symptoms can be attributed to the alcohol. It's significantly more likely they both over drank, the captain took advantage of her in her drunken state, rather than the captain is carrying around date rape drugs.
OF COURSE these are known side effects of benzodiazepines. Do a little research before you play online pharmacologist:
Medical Editor: John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP
Last reviewed on RxList 03/17/2017
Xanax (alprazolam) is a benzodiazepine used as an anti-anxiety medication prescribed to treat panic attacks and anxiety disorders. Xanax is available in generic form. Common side effects of Xanax include:
Drowsiness
Tiredness
Dizziness
Sleep problems (insomnia)
Memory problems
Poor balance or coordination
Slurred speech
Trouble concentrating
Irritability
Diarrhea
Constipation
Increased sweating
Headache
Nausea
Vomiting
Upset stomach
Blurred vision
Appetite or weight changes
Swelling in your hands or feet
Muscle weakness
Dry mouth
Stuffy nose
From a recent study:
On Feb, 20, 2018
84,702 people reported to have side effects when taking Xanax.
Among them, 4,890 people (5.77%) have Vomiting
Number of reports submitted per year:
Could Xanax cause Vomiting?
Time on Xanax when people have Vomiting *:
< 1 month: 46.15 %
1 - 6 months: 12.82 %
6 - 12 months: 3.85 %
1 - 2 years: 6.41 %
2 - 5 years: 23.08 %
5 - 10 years: 2.56 %
10+ years: 5.13 %
Gender of people who have Vomiting when taking Xanax *:
female: 74.28 %
male: 25.72 %
Age of people who have Vomiting when taking Xanax *:
0-1: 0.05 %
2-9: 0.07 %
10-19: 1.1 %
20-29: 7.56 %
30-39: 12.65 %
40-49: 23.11 %
50-59: 24.06 %
60+: 31.4 %
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I'm not focusing on the blacking out/memory loss, these drugs interfere with GABA receptors in the brain. It's the unconscious vomiting, ability to make it back to her room, after a call with ALPA at 2:46 am, and her next morning of being extremely hungover with immediate vomiting upon ingestion of any fluids, are not know side effects of Benzos. You still have to drink heavily to have the results she is describing. However, if her drinking was heavy enough, then all of her symptoms can be attributed to the alcohol. It's significantly more likely they both over drank, the captain took advantage of her in her drunken state, rather than the captain is carrying around date rape drugs.
There's not enough local bar fly's, or other random women to attempt this on? Women that would have no idea who he is or where to find him? He does this to his F.O.? He's willing to expose himself to a potential attempted murder charge, rape charges, end his career, and face a very long prison sentence because this concierge room scenario with his F.O. is the perfect situation he's been waiting for? He's willing to gamble that she's just going to blow it off and finish the trip as normal?
It's either this scenario or she got herself absurdly drunk on an overnight. I've known a few raging alcoholics. One of them died at 42YO. Some people simply cannot control it once they go down that path. I have no idea what happened here, but there's really only two scenarios one has to choose from. One of them is decidedly more far fetched than the other.
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No. They never reported for flight duty. The only rule that was even potentially in play was the company 10-hour rule.
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Nope. They test for five categories of drugs only. None of the drugs most commonly used for date rape are included:
As per DOT regulations 49 CFR Part 40 the DOT panel now looks like this:
Marijuana metabolites
Cocaine metabolites
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Opioids (codeine, heroin, morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodonea and hydromorphone)
Amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA & MDA)
As per DOT regulations 49 CFR Part 40 the DOT panel now looks like this:
Marijuana metabolites
Cocaine metabolites
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Opioids (codeine, heroin, morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodonea and hydromorphone)
Amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA & MDA)
Now if the samples taken from such a probable-cause DOT test still existed, they could potentially be tested later for other things (no idea what DOT policy is on retention). But as someone pointed out, roofies have a short metabolic half-life... might have been gone by dawn.
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I'm not focusing on the blacking out/memory loss, these drugs interfere with GABA receptors in the brain. It's the unconscious vomiting, ability to make it back to her room, after a call with ALPA at 2:46 am, and her next morning of being extremely hungover with immediate vomiting upon ingestion of any fluids, are not know side effects of Benzos. You still have to drink heavily to have the results she is describing. However, if her drinking was heavy enough, then all of her symptoms can be attributed to the alcohol. It's significantly more likely they both over drank, the captain took advantage of her in her drunken state, rather than the captain is carrying around date rape drugs.
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