Yikes...
#291
I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I'm not asserting to be. By automatically assuming "pervasive" is incorrect, you're claiming some sort of wide-reaching knowledge.
Other than your simple first-person anecdotes, what are you claiming you know to back up your claims?
My theory: you're full of sh*t and you're reacting defensively to the claim that defies your limited worldview. Egos are a dangerous thing.
I'm sorry this lawsuit hurts you so personally, maybe therapy will help?
Edit: Another point. How many incidents of sexual assault or workplace harassment need to occur in the industry, in your opinion, for "pervasive" to be an accurate term? 5? 50? 500? It's purely subjective. And it's not your place to make that judgement call. What is acceptable to you is not acceptable to others. And the fact that you're willing to accept a certain level of sexual assault as "within norms" is f&cking revolting.
Other than your simple first-person anecdotes, what are you claiming you know to back up your claims?
My theory: you're full of sh*t and you're reacting defensively to the claim that defies your limited worldview. Egos are a dangerous thing.
I'm sorry this lawsuit hurts you so personally, maybe therapy will help?
Edit: Another point. How many incidents of sexual assault or workplace harassment need to occur in the industry, in your opinion, for "pervasive" to be an accurate term? 5? 50? 500? It's purely subjective. And it's not your place to make that judgement call. What is acceptable to you is not acceptable to others. And the fact that you're willing to accept a certain level of sexual assault as "within norms" is f&cking revolting.
Where’s your evidence of “pervasive sexual assault” in the airline industry?
We’re all eyes.
#292
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I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I'm not asserting to be. By automatically assuming "pervasive" is incorrect, you're claiming some sort of wide-reaching knowledge.
Other than your simple first-person anecdotes, what are you claiming you know to back up your claims?
My theory: you're full of sh*t and you're reacting defensively to the claim that defies your limited worldview. Egos are a dangerous thing.
I'm sorry this lawsuit hurts you so personally, maybe therapy will help?
Other than your simple first-person anecdotes, what are you claiming you know to back up your claims?
My theory: you're full of sh*t and you're reacting defensively to the claim that defies your limited worldview. Egos are a dangerous thing.
I'm sorry this lawsuit hurts you so personally, maybe therapy will help?
Look in the mirror to see the one with an ego. You are character assasinating someone (me) becausecI dare claim that sexual predation by men is not pervasive in this industry.
If you can show that I’m wrong, and it is in fact pervasive, then I’ll agree Iwas wrong. Until then, the claim is pure unsubstantiated bull****.
#293
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Do not put words into my mouth. Can you show me and others here, how it’s pervasive, since you seem to be taking the stance that it is?
Look in the mirror to see the one with an ego. You are character assasinating someone (me) becausecI dare claim that sexual predation by men is not pervasive in this industry.
If you can show that I’m wrong, and it is in fact pervasive, then I’ll agree Iwas wrong. Until then, the claim is pure unsubstantiated bull****.
Look in the mirror to see the one with an ego. You are character assasinating someone (me) becausecI dare claim that sexual predation by men is not pervasive in this industry.
If you can show that I’m wrong, and it is in fact pervasive, then I’ll agree Iwas wrong. Until then, the claim is pure unsubstantiated bull****.
#294
Are you TRYING to start something here? Who said anything about INNOCENT misogynists? Good grief. C'mon.
Just because you can find news articles about pilots who've done these horrible things, does not make their actions pervasive in our industry. To say so is to stretch reality.
Just because you can find news articles about pilots who've done these horrible things, does not make their actions pervasive in our industry. To say so is to stretch reality.
If ever this industry lost its moral high ground long time ago.
It’s all about money, seniority, perceived status, no desire to actually get good at anything before moving on.
What is the very first question asked when you hear of a new female pilot on the line? Is she hot? How big is her rack? You know that to be true.
And that’s where the slippery slope of ‘acceptable’ behavior by ‘reputable’ people starts.
#295
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If they settle you won't see anything.
Probably no way to prove, or disprove, drugging or assault at this point. The only thing that might be provable was the alcohol timeline, but there's no indication they even busted the ten hours (pulling them off duty after a complaint was only prudent, regardless of the timeline).
Probably no way to prove, or disprove, drugging or assault at this point. The only thing that might be provable was the alcohol timeline, but there's no indication they even busted the ten hours (pulling them off duty after a complaint was only prudent, regardless of the timeline).
As for the post earlier asking about my daughter, if I honestly believed somebody drugged, assaulted, and raped her I would be bringing holy hell down upon the DA and Police in Minneapolis until the SOB was behind bars. I don't care how much money Alaska wants to pay me. That is the other curious statement she made in the article. That she "may be open" to prosecution. Huh? I'd think she'd be all over them to arrest him.
Last edited by FlyingKat; 03-18-2018 at 04:20 PM.
#296
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Get off your high moral horse.
If ever this industry lost its moral high ground long time ago.
It’s all about money, seniority, perceived status, no desire to actually get good at anything before moving on.
What is the very first question asked when you hear of a new female pilot on the line? Is she hot? How big is her rack? You know that to be true.
And that’s where the slippery slope of ‘acceptable’ behavior by ‘reputable’ people starts.
If ever this industry lost its moral high ground long time ago.
It’s all about money, seniority, perceived status, no desire to actually get good at anything before moving on.
What is the very first question asked when you hear of a new female pilot on the line? Is she hot? How big is her rack? You know that to be true.
And that’s where the slippery slope of ‘acceptable’ behavior by ‘reputable’ people starts.
#297
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Posts: 679
I just want to give a shoutout to the mods for not locking this thread. It’s been both educational and entertaining.
#298
Moral High horse? What a ridiculous comment. I’M not the one here labeling others with a very broad brush by claiming that sexual misconduct is somehow pervasive in this industry. People like you who suddenly jump on this claim are actually the ones jumping on the high moral horse here.
#299
Lawyer-ism. Prosecuting an offender can interfere with a civil suit. She has years to try to get a prosecution going, maybe doing the company first, then the perp.
Or since they missed the window to collect evidence, her lawyer may have decided that if the DA declines to prosecute, or worse, loses a trial that would damage the civil case.
I wouldn't read anything into the legal manuevers.
I find it telling that she's going public in a big way. She's either really pizzed, or the lawyer is trying to put PR hurt on the company. She looks pizzed to me.
#300
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“I wanted to get back in the cockpit flying before moving forward with anything,”
Sounds to me like Alaska was coming after her on a drug/alcohol investigation and she was more worried about that than anything else. Also explains why she seems to be more pizzed at Alaska than anyone else. While I agree AK will try and bury this, they may have no choice but to go public with some of the investigation to defend themselves as the me too gang is pushing a boycott of Alaska.
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