Yikes...
03-17-2018, 06:04 PM
#231
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Were both pilots given BAC tests and evaluated for alcohol dependency after being pulled from the flight? Who’s the first person you call when there is a duty related alcohol incident? The ALPA HIMS program is what’s going to get you your job back or keep it. How long are you off line to go through HIMS treatment?
03-17-2018, 06:23 PM
#232
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If anything you were there, drinking at last call with her, you probably even paid the bill. Defend yourself.
I'm saying there is risk. If your middle aged, married, and she is not then it's automatically assumed your guilty.
I'm saying there is risk. If your middle aged, married, and she is not then it's automatically assumed your guilty.
03-17-2018, 07:01 PM
#233
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Is it really a bad idea to go have a couple of glasses of wine with your other cockpit crewmember? Should that be considered a bad decision? I have gone to dinner or sat at the bar numerous times over the last 34 years that I've flown in the military or the airlines. Never would have considered it a "bad decision". You're just hanging out and enjoying a meal or glass of wine with someone else, you don't expect them to drug and rape you. It would be the furthest thing from my mind.
One of the things that really bothers me about this case is the betrayal of trust. If I had a first officer who thought they were drugged and raped on a layover, I would hope their first call would be to me. I would hope that he or she would trust that I would protect and help them. That is absolutely my responsibility as a captain, a fellow crewmember, and as a decent person.
One of the things that really bothers me about this case is the betrayal of trust. If I had a first officer who thought they were drugged and raped on a layover, I would hope their first call would be to me. I would hope that he or she would trust that I would protect and help them. That is absolutely my responsibility as a captain, a fellow crewmember, and as a decent person.
I used to enjoy going out on overnights with the FAs and female coworkers but I do it rarely anymore. Too much at stake. And I quit consuming alcohol anytime when I am on a trip. Once again, too much at stake if someone sees you at a bar or wants to make an accusation.
It is a very puritanical environment out there and companies are more apt to get rid of a problem than give you a fair shake. Sucks but it is what it is.
As far as this case goes, keep in mind you are only getting one side of the story at this point from her attorneys, who are trying to get a bunch of money. She may be telling the truth, but certain aspects of her story bear suspicion, particularly relating to the circumstances of how she became intoxicated.
03-17-2018, 08:42 PM
#234
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Yeah, I paid for her beer. It’s kind of a tradition to pick up a round for your crew at SWA and pick up all of a probie’s drinks and/or dinner. So what? Are some of you seriously that paranoid about this?! That’s hilarious.
03-17-2018, 08:53 PM
#235
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OMG....that’s ludicrous. I hope I never get to the point where I’m afraid to hang in the bar with my FO/FAs or both, male or female. That’s part of the fun of this job.
Yeah, I paid for her beer. It’s kind of a tradition to pick up a round for your crew at SWA and pick up all of a probie’s drinks and/or dinner. So what? Are some of you seriously that paranoid about this?! That’s hilarious.
Yeah, I paid for her beer. It’s kind of a tradition to pick up a round for your crew at SWA and pick up all of a probie’s drinks and/or dinner. So what? Are some of you seriously that paranoid about this?! That’s hilarious.
03-17-2018, 08:54 PM
#236
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Unfortunately the environment out there has changed over the last 34 years. Any allegation, no matter how crazy and you can end up in the CPs office doing a carpet dance with HR hot on your heels. Men in this environment are essentially guilty until they prove themselves innocent. People like to make fun of Pence for refusing to go out with females unless his wife is present, but it makes for a bulletproof defense if anybody wants to throw an allegation his way.
I used to enjoy going out on overnights with the FAs and female coworkers but I do it rarely anymore. Too much at stake. And I quit consuming alcohol anytime when I am on a trip. Once again, too much at stake if someone sees you at a bar or wants to make an accusation.
It is a very puritanical environment out there and companies are more apt to get rid of a problem than give you a fair shake. Sucks but it is what it is.
As far as this case goes, keep in mind you are only getting one side of the story at this point from her attorneys, who are trying to get a bunch of money. She may be telling the truth, but certain aspects of her story bear suspicion, particularly relating to the circumstances of how she became intoxicated.
I used to enjoy going out on overnights with the FAs and female coworkers but I do it rarely anymore. Too much at stake. And I quit consuming alcohol anytime when I am on a trip. Once again, too much at stake if someone sees you at a bar or wants to make an accusation.
It is a very puritanical environment out there and companies are more apt to get rid of a problem than give you a fair shake. Sucks but it is what it is.
As far as this case goes, keep in mind you are only getting one side of the story at this point from her attorneys, who are trying to get a bunch of money. She may be telling the truth, but certain aspects of her story bear suspicion, particularly relating to the circumstances of how she became intoxicated.
03-17-2018, 09:42 PM
#237
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You'll think its nonsense until you or a good friend ends up in the CPs office with your job on the line. Then its not so funny. And if it goes so far you need to get an attorney, then fees really aren't very funny.
03-17-2018, 10:00 PM
#238
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I tend to get pretty fired up and passionate about standing on principle so it’s not like I’d roll over on some false charges.
03-17-2018, 10:03 PM
#239
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That said.....I’ve done a complete 180 on FAs and PAX.......I should’ve pursued the “boxes” route. After JSing on FedEx & UPS, I get it.
03-17-2018, 10:09 PM
#240
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Oh I’m sure. It’s got to be awful. However, I’m not going to stop being sociable on my layovers. If someone ever makes a false accusation I’d like to think I’d fight it and them tooth and nail.
I tend to get pretty fired up and passionate about standing on principle so it’s not like I’d roll over on some false charges.
I tend to get pretty fired up and passionate about standing on principle so it’s not like I’d roll over on some false charges.
Its not just a matter of rolling on false charges. Its what it costs you in terms money, stress, and reputation. Its just not worth the risk of some crazy FA getting half crocked and coming after you.
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