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Old 03-16-2018, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of F/As who would disagree with you.
Not to mention gate agents in Brazil.
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(Too soon?)
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
She’s doing interviews now. Calls sexual assault “a pervasive problem in the airline industry”... Does anyone else really agree that it’s a pervasive problem?
I don’t know. How many sexual assaults have to happen for it to go from just a problem to a pervasive one? I’d think anyone who is a victim would agree with her. I’m giving her a pass on this one.

Also, while I think that the captain should absolutely be afforded due process in this, there appears to be waaaay too much smoke to not be any fire.
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:08 AM
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In the US, way less than 50% of the women who are raped ever go to the police, for various reasons, some of which we have read here on this thread.

I recommend all women, if raped/assaulted at their organization and/or by someone in their organization (school, employer, etc.), they should IMMEDIATELY call local law enforcement, and, after that, then inform whomever in their organization. Usually, HR at their organization will not help them at all.
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
Ruh-Roh.... .....smells fishy
If it smells fishy fake a headache
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Stitches

Also, while I think that the captain should absolutely be afforded due process in this, there appears to be waaaay too much smoke to not be any fire.
Due process? Certainly. But even for the most charitable interpretation possible toward his version of events, he was dumb as a box of rocks. Taking a drunk female subordinate he barely knew to his room? Even if he hadn't had to wrestle her for 20 minutes to get her there from the elevator as the lawyer claims the videos show, what kind of idiot does that?

I mean, the man never saw Basic Instinct?

Even if he did nothing criminal, he's too damn STUPID to be trusted in a position of authority again.
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by crxpilot
How about because women are naturally crazy and we have this MeToo movement going on and just because she said so, served in the military etc, doesn’t make her accusations any more relevant. Did she call police on the morning she woke up with no pants and a hangover with fresh clues for police to investigate? Or did she fly back with him, decide at some point she wanted her metoo payout and then say something.
And for all of this we get another empty kitchen.
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
In the US, way less than 50% of the women who are raped ever go to the police, for various reasons, some of which we have read here on this thread.

I recommend all women, if raped/assaulted at their organization and/or by someone in their organization (school, employer, etc.), they should IMMEDIATELY call local law enforcement, and, after that, then inform whomever in their organization. Usually, HR at their organization will not help them at all.
HR people are hired by the company to look after the COMPANY's interest, including avoiding bad PR. Apparently someone in HR thought if the woman was given a six month vacation with pay everything would magically go away. My guess is that will be another person besides the Captain whose career is now over.

You guys learn nothing from Watergate? The coverup gets you in just as much trouble as the crime itself.

And where was the legal department on all this? She gave them a month's warning to do something or she would file this case and it would all go public. Was that the first they'd heard of it? Did they drop the ball? Did they think she was bluffing?

This makes the whole management seem to be either uncaring, incompetent, or both. Is this truly the best outcome the company could have expected from this once it happened?
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:05 AM
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I'm not sure I'd use the term "pervasive", but this may just be a matter of semantics. See below. Most of the male pilots I've flown with have been respectful and professional. It's somewhat unusual to run into one that is overtly demeaning to women (or demonstrates some other kind of unacceptable behavior).

Without referencing the present case at Alaska...

It's a well-known fact that there are problem children at every company. One of our managers once told me that 10% of his employees seem to use up about 90% of his time and energy. For pilots, I think the percentage is more like 3%, but you get the idea. The range of "bad" behavior includes verbal or physical abuse, substance abuse, or intentional disregard for safety or operational procedures.

After you've been at a company for a few years, you know who the "bad actors" are. Management and the union know who they are. Nothing happens. Sure, the guy (or gal) might get hauled into the Chief Pilot's Office and get a lecture, or have a form letter added to their personnel file. Three months later, they're up to their old tricks again. Unless they do something that's actually illegal and/or exceptionally well-documented, nothing will happen.

The biggest part of the problem? Not that it's "pervasive" (it's not), but that it continues.
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT
8 months ago is gonna be hard to investigate.
Put Mueller on it, he likes to dig and dig and dig.
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BizPilot
Put Mueller on it, he likes to dig and dig and dig.
I'm sure he'd stop digging if his investigation didn't keep finding things.
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