Spirit TA and Alaska Contract
02-14-2018, 12:59 PM
#11
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At this point, their international codeshare network is robust enough that the odds of them spending money to acquire large airplanes is almost nil.
We need protection for both, but I would go after the small airplanes first, then the large end of the spectrum.
Fixed. Scope isn't strong enough until anything with an Eskimo on the tail has an Alaska Airlines flight crew in it.
02-14-2018, 03:52 PM
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Pilots still fall for this? Spirit tripled in size in the past 6 years. Based on its current size and order book, it's highly unlikely to be a trend going forward. Hopefully everyone looks at payrates in all longevity and both seats.
02-14-2018, 05:17 PM
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Try reading my post again. I said “Most of us” myself included, was able to upgrade after 2.5 - 3 years. You bring up trend, which is not what I was talking about. Most of the Spirit pilots don’t deal with 5 year FO pay (which is my point). We don’t look at that unless we choose to wait that long to upgrade. Doesn't most of us look at a TA and see how it affect us? I’m more concern with our 5 year CA pay than our 5 year FO pay. Just like some guys are more concern with certain items than others.
02-14-2018, 08:42 PM
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I agree, but historically the biggest threat for outsourcing has been smaller aircraft. How many 787s is Air Group currently contracting? How many E175s and Dash-8s are they contracting? Frequency is king with regards to marketing, and that's what small airplanes give them. When Skywest first ordered E175s, we were told that they wouldn't operate any of them for Alaska. That's the biggest threat.
At this point, their international codeshare network is robust enough that the odds of them spending money to acquire large airplanes is almost nil.
We need protection for both, but I would go after the small airplanes first, then the large end of the spectrum.
Fixed. Scope isn't strong enough until anything with an Eskimo on the tail has an Alaska Airlines flight crew in it.
At this point, their international codeshare network is robust enough that the odds of them spending money to acquire large airplanes is almost nil.
We need protection for both, but I would go after the small airplanes first, then the large end of the spectrum.
Fixed. Scope isn't strong enough until anything with an Eskimo on the tail has an Alaska Airlines flight crew in it.
02-14-2018, 08:57 PM
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Try reading my post again. I said “Most of us” myself included, was able to upgrade after 2.5 - 3 years. You bring up trend, which is not what I was talking about. Most of the Spirit pilots don’t deal with 5 year FO pay (which is my point). We don’t look at that unless we choose to wait that long to upgrade. Doesn't most of us look at a TA and see how it affect us? I’m more concern with our 5 year CA pay than our 5 year FO pay. Just like some guys are more concern with certain items than others.
02-14-2018, 11:58 PM
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02-15-2018, 07:17 AM
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Outside looking in, but scope came up a few times while jumpseating and I was told each time that it wasn't important enough to negotiate for. Is there actually a strong calling as a group to get some scope in the next contract now?
02-15-2018, 02:49 PM
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During the last negotiations most of the pilots at Alaska weren’t concerned because they had dash-8’s and CRJ-200’s in their heads. Now that they look over and see the E-175’s are nicer and almost as large as their 737’s they see a threat. Only now it’s too late.
Oh well.
Oh well.
02-15-2018, 03:56 PM
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I agree that all years in the pay scale are important but the quick upgrade is likely to continue. Spirit is making a lot of money and I doubt anyone will be surprised when a new order is announced. It’s been openly talked about on quarterly financial discussions
