PBS at Alaska?
02-15-2018, 03:04 PM
#41
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While I get the "We DO NOT want our management" to get a PBS system it wants....what's from stopping us union wise from negotiating terms that we like? I mean we can program PBS to our liking just like the Company can do amiright? Our contract and work rules would dictate what would be legal for the company to do would it not? 
Right now we are in crap system of crew access that hardly ever allows us to trade......all I hear is grumblings....but how can we fight this? Obviously our next contract should cover this right??
Right now we are in crap system of crew access that hardly ever allows us to trade......all I hear is grumblings....but how can we fight this? Obviously our next contract should cover this right??
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
02-15-2018, 04:45 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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I once was an advocate at Alaska for PBS. If the subject came up I would try to explain the advantages of PBS to those that would listen.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
02-15-2018, 07:43 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 658
I once was an advocate at Alaska for PBS. If the subject came up I would try to explain the advantages of PBS to those that would listen.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
02-16-2018, 12:38 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 158
Pathetic regional mindset
You must drive a Saturn to work. Most of us have real lives that don’t revolve around the base or the airline we work for.
Glad your happy, glad you voted on your contract that makes you so happy.
Wow.
You must drive a Saturn to work. Most of us have real lives that don’t revolve around the base or the airline we work for.
Glad your happy, glad you voted on your contract that makes you so happy.
Wow.
02-16-2018, 04:54 AM
#47
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I am far from the grammar police, but with that last sentence, I'm beginning to become CYNICAL about the validity of your college degree.
Maybe in your case turn auto-correct back on?
02-16-2018, 05:29 AM
#48
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02-16-2018, 07:28 PM
#49
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Posts: 614
I was going to say "good god" to you but then I figured out you meant you are now agnostic.
I am far from the grammar police, but with that last sentence, I'm beginning to become CYNICAL about the validity of your college degree.
Maybe in your case turn auto-correct back on?
I am far from the grammar police, but with that last sentence, I'm beginning to become CYNICAL about the validity of your college degree.
Maybe in your case turn auto-correct back on?
02-16-2018, 10:03 PM
#50
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Posts: 627
I once was an advocate at Alaska for PBS. If the subject came up I would try to explain the advantages of PBS to those that would listen.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
Then one day a Captain put this hypothetical to me “ you are put in charge of implementing PBS, the company let’s you write the contract language, they accept every provision you want. You get to choose the vendor, you even get to run the line build every month....The first time things go sideways...do you think our MEC will defend the terms of our contract...or will they cave and grant concessions at the companies first request.”
I have to say that I think our MEC will cave. 7 flex up months in a year anyone (contract says 6)? How about we agree to suspend trading to implement a crew management program that we don’t even like or want.
I am ashamed to say that this is a weak pilot group with a weak MEC. It doesn’t matter how rock solid you think the contract provisions in the contract are, it won’t mean much. Ask an Alaska pilot what percentage of management pilots come out of the ranks of the MEC and committee chairs...how about all of them.
I know individuals on the MEC that I respect and like, however the output after the sausage is made is reprehensible.
I am now egnostic about the whole PBS thing. There is good and bad either way. I am so cynacle that it really doesn’t matter to me anymore.
Vote your bums out.
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