PBS at Alaska?
12-19-2019, 08:18 PM
#221
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Practical problem with that... if EVERYBODY bids 65 hours in a given moth, flying is uncovered.
The tiered approach is more realistic, company can plan for staffing.
Alternatively, everyone could "opt in" to a specific tier of their choice for the following year and the company could staff accordingly.
The tiered approach is more realistic, company can plan for staffing.
Alternatively, everyone could "opt in" to a specific tier of their choice for the following year and the company could staff accordingly.
As long as the person moving the levers is bound by the right rules and the Average Line Value is properly negotiated everyone will generally fly the amount that they want.
12-20-2019, 06:42 AM
#222
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Obviously with a large group there will be statistical spread across the range. I'm more playing devil's advocate, how the company might view it (or the excuse they might use). Might be afraid of a wildcat reduction across the board.
12-20-2019, 09:08 AM
#223
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Apparently MEA's dataset is painfully out of date. Just like his predictions about the fleet plan, his declaration about "an overwhelming majority" may have been true in 2006, but is no longer.
There's been 1400 pilots added in the last 5 years who don't have any allegiance to the "traditional" ways that Alaska does its schedules.
Adapt or die. It's that way with a fleet plan. It's also true with PBS.
There's been 1400 pilots added in the last 5 years who don't have any allegiance to the "traditional" ways that Alaska does its schedules.
Adapt or die. It's that way with a fleet plan. It's also true with PBS.
12-20-2019, 09:30 AM
#224
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Hmmmmm? What percentage of the total pilot group are former Virgin America? They used PBS. I would guess somewhere close to 35%. I know the poll is not 100% representative but should be pretty close.
12-20-2019, 09:56 AM
#225
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Keep in mind that VX’s large spread of 70-97 hrs credit bidding per month allowed them to keep staffing at a lower amount. Compared to Frontier or Spirit (line bidding), when they were about 70 planes they had way more pilots than VX did. The entire AS contract is written for line bidding. I wouldn’t want PBS until that changes.
12-20-2019, 12:55 PM
#227
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Keep in mind that VX’s large spread of 70-97 hrs credit bidding per month allowed them to keep staffing at a lower amount. Compared to Frontier or Spirit (line bidding), when they were about 70 planes they had way more pilots than VX did. The entire AS contract is written for line bidding. I wouldn’t want PBS until that changes.
12-20-2019, 10:41 PM
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Considering how insanely far behind the rest of the industry your guys contract is, these would be must haves for PBS:
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1. Calendar Daily averaging RIG of 5:15 minutes and Calendar Day hard non averaging Rig of 5:00. This will fix your ridiculous pairings with 18.5 credit four days and 12 credit 3 days.
2. Contract Defined credit windows (ex: low 72-82, mid 75-90, high 90+) These must be defined during the vote including how and or what % of pilots are allowed in each one.
3. Average line Value language including caps on it. How it is determined and when it is allowed to go higher i.e. 3 months a year etc..
4. Only allow a PBS system that using linear logic NO GLOBAL ALGORITHIMS.
5. Defined Industry Standard Unstacking Limits/Credit Push Limits. Without these, get ready to be forced to work on days your seniority could hold off, because of insufficient manning (which at Alaska is constant).
6. Contract Language Defining every code, when it could be used, and what the code is worth. Prohibition against adding additional codes without Union agreement. Industry standard pro-ration tables also.
7. Misaward contract language defining what a misaward is, when it happens, what to do, and the remedy procedure. Define significant penalties the company incurs when not following these procedures.
8. 5:15 credit per day for a week of vacation. Ability to slide and/or add 2-3 vacation days per week of vacation depending on vacation balance.
9. Union access to administration side of the software and auditing of all PBS files and publication rights to all PBS files and data.
Without all of this get ready for PBS to be weaponized against the pilot group.
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1. Calendar Daily averaging RIG of 5:15 minutes and Calendar Day hard non averaging Rig of 5:00. This will fix your ridiculous pairings with 18.5 credit four days and 12 credit 3 days.
2. Contract Defined credit windows (ex: low 72-82, mid 75-90, high 90+) These must be defined during the vote including how and or what % of pilots are allowed in each one.
3. Average line Value language including caps on it. How it is determined and when it is allowed to go higher i.e. 3 months a year etc..
4. Only allow a PBS system that using linear logic NO GLOBAL ALGORITHIMS.
5. Defined Industry Standard Unstacking Limits/Credit Push Limits. Without these, get ready to be forced to work on days your seniority could hold off, because of insufficient manning (which at Alaska is constant).
6. Contract Language Defining every code, when it could be used, and what the code is worth. Prohibition against adding additional codes without Union agreement. Industry standard pro-ration tables also.
7. Misaward contract language defining what a misaward is, when it happens, what to do, and the remedy procedure. Define significant penalties the company incurs when not following these procedures.
8. 5:15 credit per day for a week of vacation. Ability to slide and/or add 2-3 vacation days per week of vacation depending on vacation balance.
9. Union access to administration side of the software and auditing of all PBS files and publication rights to all PBS files and data.
Without all of this get ready for PBS to be weaponized against the pilot group.
And WTF, PAY! Money needs to start flowing if you’re taking PBS.
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