PBS at Alaska?
02-10-2018, 09:56 AM
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How does PBS work with vacation overlap and month-to-month overlap?
At my airline, many guys profit to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per year by bidding lines that end up with max vacation overlap (paid days that are dropped because they conflict with awarded vacation weeks). It's not uncommon to not work at all during a vacation month (if you have two staggered weeks of vacation in a month) or only work three or four days (if you only have one week of vacation in a month). Cumulatively, depending on seniority, this can give most guys at least a couple of months per year completely off and paid, or several months with minimal flying and paid.
On the month-to-month overlap, guys profit because a lot of open time is created in the overlap from conflicting trips, which is picked up (theoretically) at time-and-a-half. Lately, though, we have so many extra people, it's pretty difficult to get anything but straight time flying out of open time. Historically, guys here have made quite a bit of money from the month-to-month overlap.
At my airline, many guys profit to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per year by bidding lines that end up with max vacation overlap (paid days that are dropped because they conflict with awarded vacation weeks). It's not uncommon to not work at all during a vacation month (if you have two staggered weeks of vacation in a month) or only work three or four days (if you only have one week of vacation in a month). Cumulatively, depending on seniority, this can give most guys at least a couple of months per year completely off and paid, or several months with minimal flying and paid.
On the month-to-month overlap, guys profit because a lot of open time is created in the overlap from conflicting trips, which is picked up (theoretically) at time-and-a-half. Lately, though, we have so many extra people, it's pretty difficult to get anything but straight time flying out of open time. Historically, guys here have made quite a bit of money from the month-to-month overlap.
02-10-2018, 10:57 AM
#12
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I assume that line bidding allows you to use vacation overlap (trips that touch vacation drop) to turn one week of vacation into 3 weeks off. Right?
PBS wouldn’t allow you to build a schedule with overlap? Would it?
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02-10-2018, 11:20 AM
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Not at Alaska, the touching trips will drop but you’ll need to replace them with other trips to restore your credit to the minimum threshold.
02-10-2018, 12:53 PM
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How does PBS work with vacation overlap and month-to-month overlap?
At my airline, many guys profit to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per year by bidding lines that end up with max vacation overlap (paid days that are dropped because they conflict with awarded vacation weeks). It's not uncommon to not work at all during a vacation month (if you have two staggered weeks of vacation in a month) or only work three or four days (if you only have one week of vacation in a month). Cumulatively, depending on seniority, this can give most guys at least a couple of months per year completely off and paid, or several months with minimal flying and paid.
On the month-to-month overlap, guys profit because a lot of open time is created in the overlap from conflicting trips, which is picked up (theoretically) at time-and-a-half. Lately, though, we have so many extra people, it's pretty difficult to get anything but straight time flying out of open time. Historically, guys here have made quite a bit of money from the month-to-month overlap.
At my airline, many guys profit to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per year by bidding lines that end up with max vacation overlap (paid days that are dropped because they conflict with awarded vacation weeks). It's not uncommon to not work at all during a vacation month (if you have two staggered weeks of vacation in a month) or only work three or four days (if you only have one week of vacation in a month). Cumulatively, depending on seniority, this can give most guys at least a couple of months per year completely off and paid, or several months with minimal flying and paid.
On the month-to-month overlap, guys profit because a lot of open time is created in the overlap from conflicting trips, which is picked up (theoretically) at time-and-a-half. Lately, though, we have so many extra people, it's pretty difficult to get anything but straight time flying out of open time. Historically, guys here have made quite a bit of money from the month-to-month overlap.
02-11-2018, 06:28 AM
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Most of the other Legacy airlines had it as well. They all lost it to Bankruptcy.
Trips touching vacation and training was worth untold millions to the airlines. What use to be ours became theirs overnight. The swing of money and QOL was turned upside down at each individual airline with a stroke of a Judges or arbitrators pen.
02-13-2018, 04:17 AM
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We did. We lost it to Kasher in 2005.
Most of the other Legacy airlines had it as well. They all lost it to Bankruptcy.
Trips touching vacation and training was worth untold millions to the airlines. What use to be ours became theirs overnight. The swing of money and QOL was turned upside down at each individual airline with a stroke of a Judges or arbitrators pen.
Most of the other Legacy airlines had it as well. They all lost it to Bankruptcy.
Trips touching vacation and training was worth untold millions to the airlines. What use to be ours became theirs overnight. The swing of money and QOL was turned upside down at each individual airline with a stroke of a Judges or arbitrators pen.
Legacies all went BK and had some deep cuts to the contracts, it's taken a decade to get most of that back (if not more in some areas).
02-13-2018, 05:55 AM
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PBS can give you a lot of flexibility, to have time off when you need it, make more money, or some of both. But you must have contractual control over how PBS operates. If you can't get that, might be better off with line bidding and trip touching... at least then you can see what you're getting.
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