PBS at Alaska?
03-27-2018, 01:45 PM
#181
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I would argue that it’s actually only 4 days off. 3pm Tuesday to 3pm Thursday is a 48 hour period yet only really providing Wednesday off.
Last edited by Max Thrust; 03-27-2018 at 02:25 PM.
05-06-2018, 08:08 AM
#182
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I’m a VXer and have spent many months with 18+ days off. However this has nothing to do with PBS!!
Only has to do with a low credit threshold of 70hrs/high credit Trip. Our Flica PBS is a basic non-optimizing system that is operated in GOOD faith.
The previous pbs system I had was operated in a manner which allowed the company to unstack every day of the year. And the bottom 15% were Unstacked on every week. They used u stacking as a staffing tool. The pbs system optimized, which for those unfamiliar meant it awarded trips out of seniority order in order to make the pairings fit better. Every vendor optimizes differently but for example if a Jr pilot had Trip in their 1st preference they would get it over you who had it in their 10th. Flica doesn’t do this it goes line for line through a pilots preference before it moves to the next pilot.
In order for me to even consider pbs I would at a minimum need rules on the following. I suggest all unfamiliar AS and Uniformed VX pilots get familiar with these terms as this will be our lives for a long time if we vote in a bad system.
Here what we should be asking for at a minimum
-Pilot built pairings
-Higher Trip rigs and min daily credit not averaged
-minimum reserve coverage
-a transparent Trip trading system that works
-a defined minimum credit threshold. Ex..They can’t be allowed to raise it to 85+ every month because staffing dictates. (They don’t take advantage of this that much at VX but previous company did)
-limits on unstacking
-non optimizing
-defined defaults. Ie. max work blocks, min days of between blocks, credit buffers between 117 regs, etc... And the ability to waive these default if wanted.
There are many more I’m missing but as I’m almost certain we will be voting on this in the next 5 years we all need to become much more educated on what else is out there and how bad pbs can be without he right rules in place.
Only has to do with a low credit threshold of 70hrs/high credit Trip. Our Flica PBS is a basic non-optimizing system that is operated in GOOD faith.
The previous pbs system I had was operated in a manner which allowed the company to unstack every day of the year. And the bottom 15% were Unstacked on every week. They used u stacking as a staffing tool. The pbs system optimized, which for those unfamiliar meant it awarded trips out of seniority order in order to make the pairings fit better. Every vendor optimizes differently but for example if a Jr pilot had Trip in their 1st preference they would get it over you who had it in their 10th. Flica doesn’t do this it goes line for line through a pilots preference before it moves to the next pilot.
In order for me to even consider pbs I would at a minimum need rules on the following. I suggest all unfamiliar AS and Uniformed VX pilots get familiar with these terms as this will be our lives for a long time if we vote in a bad system.
Here what we should be asking for at a minimum
-Pilot built pairings
-Higher Trip rigs and min daily credit not averaged
-minimum reserve coverage
-a transparent Trip trading system that works
-a defined minimum credit threshold. Ex..They can’t be allowed to raise it to 85+ every month because staffing dictates. (They don’t take advantage of this that much at VX but previous company did)
-limits on unstacking
-non optimizing
-defined defaults. Ie. max work blocks, min days of between blocks, credit buffers between 117 regs, etc... And the ability to waive these default if wanted.
There are many more I’m missing but as I’m almost certain we will be voting on this in the next 5 years we all need to become much more educated on what else is out there and how bad pbs can be without he right rules in place.
Just to expand on your one thought. Min reserve coverage per base per seat. Gotta have it
05-08-2018, 07:53 AM
#183
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Just so the VX people know. We can see the 73's horrible lines on the pilot website under crew planning>bid packages. I just about started to cry when I saw the lines at my seniority, such a sense of despair. 14 days off until well over 50% in SEA. There is such an amazing destruction to QOL that we need to be prepared if this is whats going to happen in October.
It's real simple for 2020. Get rid of the asinine BS like can't fly a leg before or after a transcon, 4 48 hour periods off, etc.
5.5 hours per day credit, period. No averages. No silly stuff. You show up that calendar day you get paid 5.5.
Max number of hours (75) out of PBS every month, nothing more. You can bid to work more more if you want.
3/1 trip rig.
With these, the company HAS to build efficient pairings. It's time for the Stockholm syndrome to go away, enough is enough.
It's real simple for 2020. Get rid of the asinine BS like can't fly a leg before or after a transcon, 4 48 hour periods off, etc.
5.5 hours per day credit, period. No averages. No silly stuff. You show up that calendar day you get paid 5.5.
Max number of hours (75) out of PBS every month, nothing more. You can bid to work more more if you want.
3/1 trip rig.
With these, the company HAS to build efficient pairings. It's time for the Stockholm syndrome to go away, enough is enough.
10-24-2019, 12:08 PM
#188
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 658
PBS is literally years away. Discussions about PBS will happen during section 6 negotiations regarding scheduling, which are due to start next month. It's likely to be a reality at some point, but not any time soon.
10-24-2019, 03:41 PM
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Position: Driving a Bus for Recreational Pleasure.
Posts: 544
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