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Old 02-24-2018, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
Does it bother anyone that Skywest flies our colors into DCA?
Yes.

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Old 02-24-2018, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
Does it bother anyone that Skywest flies our colors?
Fixed.

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Old 02-24-2018, 03:20 PM
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AS replaced Mainline Jets (VX) with RJ’s on DCA and LGA routes out of Dallas.
Scope people, Scope !
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 2loud
“They seem to like it”? Exactly what % of “they” are you speaking of? And how many Alaska FAs have you surveyed? If “they” are in the top 20%ish, then you are somewhat correct or if PBS is all they know. It’s simple boys and girls: if Alaska management wants PBS, it’s beyond bad for this pilot group. I’m not here to divide and conquer but some of y’all VXers act as if you come from the greatest airline gig. VX was minor step above SkyWest, mainly because of the bigger iron, quicker upgrade, and a few more $ but not much else. Know yourself and know where you come from. Those of you with an inferiority complex may now lash out.
They had a trial period and a vote to retain PBS which was over 80% in favor. I haven’t checked recently, but for awhile, they had contract language that they could revert back to line bidding upon notice of the FA MEC.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:27 AM
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FedEx pilots still line bid. FedEx pilots have good work rules. FedEx pilots have the most time off.

SkyWest pilots use PBS. SkyWest pilots have worse than horse$hit work rules. SkyWest pilots have almost no time off.

It's not a PBS or Line thing, it's a work rule thing. Once you let the cat out of the bag (going PBS) there's no going back. Get the work rules, the line will improve without going PBS.
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle
SkyWest pilots use PBS. SkyWest pilots have worse than horse$hit work rules. SkyWest pilots have almost no time off.
PBS was great at SKW at first (IMO). Over time, as they thinned staffing, PBS with no rules allowed them to keep increasing the tempo of the drummer, and the rowers have had to keep up.

Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle
It's not a PBS or Line thing, it's a work rule thing. Once you let the cat out of the bag (going PBS) there's no going back. Get the work rules, the line will improve without going PBS.
Correct, I've lived it both ways. I really liked PBS with appropriate rules and/or staffing.

But I'd rather have the rules first, regardless of the bidding mechanism. Then good rules could be *carefully* translated into PBS rules/parameters.
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AwkwardTurtle
FedEx pilots still line bid. FedEx pilots have good work rules. FedEx pilots have the most time off.

SkyWest pilots use PBS. SkyWest pilots have worse than horse$hit work rules. SkyWest pilots have almost no time off.

It's not a PBS or Line thing, it's a work rule thing. Once you let the cat out of the bag (going PBS) there's no going back. Get the work rules, the line will improve without going PBS.
Then let’s get better rules and get PBS!

Your argument against it is as ridiculous as AS holding on to the ‘Dino’ Jet because BT’s dad worked there for 30+ years...
You guys must love living in the past🙄
Remember time moves forward, things improve... time to wake up and get with the times folks😉
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by airb320
Then let’s get better rules and get PBS!

Your argument against it is as ridiculous as AS holding on to the ‘Dino’ Jet because BT’s dad worked there for 30+ years...
You guys must love living in the past🙄
Remember time moves forward, things improve... time to wake up and get with the times folks😉
Great!! Good Luck with that. Wait until 2020...You're education will begin at the same time as contract openers. You guys don't know who you're dealing with. You will.
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
Great!! Good Luck with that. Wait until 2020...You're education will begin at the same time as contract openers. You guys don't know who you're dealing with. You will.
You only get what you fight for. Don't have what you want? Blame the pilot group, not management.
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by airb320
Then let’s get better rules and get PBS!

Your argument against it is as ridiculous as AS holding on to the ‘Dino’ Jet because BT’s dad worked there for 30+ years...
You guys must love living in the past🙄
Remember time moves forward, things improve... time to wake up and get with the times folks😉
I'll make you a deal, you throw in scope, some massive scheduling improvements and laundry list of other things and we'll consider voting for PBS as long as we get ironclad PBS language. If you want PBS then you have to make us an offer we can't pass up.
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