Ray Red

Any splitting that results from the upcoming SLI will NOT require any help from the company.

ShyGuy

The company has nothing to do with the SLI proceedings or SLI arbitration in an ALPA-ALPA carrier merger. The TPA spells out the process of SLI negotiations, mediation phase, and arbitration.

EA CO AS

After speaking with one of the negotiators for the IAM, representing the CSAs and Res Agents among others (COPS contract), I'd asked what his thoughts were on the arbitration award, knowing they're going into openers with the company in April.

He said, "I don't see what the fuss is about; it's a fair deal. We were prepared to go into negotiations asking for the average of the Big Four, minus 5%, because we know we can't ask the company for industry-best pay - it's just not feasible."

So if a union negotiator understands why coming in under the Big Four is a reasonable ask, why is this deal somehow unfair? I'd like to hear some well thought-out reasons.

Jetlife

You are saying two different things, are you saying what the negotiators asked for was fair, or are you saying that the award is fair, because one of them is fair, the other is not.

ASpilot0936

It's very feasible.

25% profit margin.

I'll say it again.... 25% PROFIT MARGIN (Remember when 10% was the magic holy grail number we needed to attain?)

Bull$hit expectations in the gutter like that are why we all get treated like $hit. The B&B show always knows that you'll bend over backwards for $hit because of the "AS Family" $hit they spew. You sound like pu$$y ALPA negotiators that are scared to even ask for what they want (ya gotta give up something to get something) because it might screw up their second floor job chances. COPS needs to grow some balls just like ALPA does. We are #1 in efficiency and #1 in productivity. Take the 1990 route map and overlay it with today's route map. Bigger airline, bigger pay. 3 reasons why we should get industry leading pay. This "you've always got #5 so this is what you should get" is crap. This ain't the same AS like is was in 1990.

NO MORE ARBITRATION. I'M WILLING TO WALK FOR SCOPE YOU SHOULD BE TO. WE NEED TO GROW SOME GOD DAMM BALLS AND ASK/STRIKE FOR WHAT WE'VE EARNED.

And don't get me started on the fact that Alaska Airlines can't even fly through a snowflake without pre cancelling flights.....

Klsytakesit

You my friend need to look in the mirror....your nose is growing. You
did not actually ever have that conversation. So a more honest approach would be to just ask your own question....tsk tsk

FlyGuy2002

Dude as of 9/30/2017 the financials show $2,321,956 in revenue YTD. and NET income (profit) as $264,879... divide profit YTD into YTD revenue and we have 11.4% margin. If your gonna get on here and yap atleast yap facts. I know it may be an inconvenient truth but the margin, although healthy at 11%... is certainly not 25%..
And be very careful attaching our pay worthiness to profit margin, because heaven forbid our margins decline, I highly doubt youll support us making less pay because our margins are less. The pay should be higher based on the market rates for pilots right now.. margin has very little to do with anything...

EA CO AS

You DO remember that the 10% ROIC number was what was needed to sustain growth during the "Flightpath" sessions several years back, BEFORE getting squeezed at SEA by DL, at LAX by AA, and before B6 made a bid for VX, forcing the company's hand into a it's-now-or-never approach to committing to growth in CA, right? All while fuel was substantially lower than it is today, and with yields far higher than they are today due to increased competition in our core markets? (Hint: those 25% ROIC numbers just aren't coming back; ever.)

Or did you forget those very important factors that mean a cost advantage is a NECESSITY for AS to compete and grow? Obviously the arbitrators looked at those factors when coming to a decision that was well over what the company wanted, but obviously short of what ALPA asked.

EA CO AS

Not only did the conversation happen, it was on Friday night in SEA at a company event, and I was pleasantly surprised at his candor in terms of not only his perspective on the arbitration award, but also that he was willing to openly share the IAM's opening position for payscales in the upcoming negotiations and why they felt they could only ask for so much. This led into another healthy discussion about the merits of increasing the wages in that existing CBA, the details of which aren't important here.

But sure, stick your head in the sand and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" if you want, but if you have other union leadership members, who are also part of the negotiating team for an upcoming contract negotiation, saying they believe 5% under the average of the Big Four is fair compensation for the COPS contract, it's hard to understand why ALPA members would insist on being compensated at the top of the industry, especially if it renders the company unable to continue with growth that equals better job protection, better lines, and perhaps even larger equipment (yes, you heard me correctly) in the coming decade.

DashTrash

With a NC like that, who needs enemies? Management has been successful in making you guys feel bad that they bought another airline. That think is just enabling them. I'm glad that our MEC/NC have stones here at United. Glad that I'm gone from the AAG.