Arbitration
11-01-2017, 06:58 AM
#213
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11-01-2017, 07:15 AM
#214
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Once again alaska pilots show themselves as cheap tables that fold under anything. The Mesa of 737 operators...while the other majors got scope clauses they had their thumbs up their ass. At least the nail is in the coffin on mainline jobs while QX and SW grow. Alaska pilots are solely to blame for this.
11-01-2017, 07:22 AM
#215
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As was inferred by the arbiitration panel, both 09 and 13 were opportunities for us to stand our ground and get scope, retirement, retro pay, industry leading pay and job protections.....they were unwilling to do for us what we are always unwilling to do for us...not on the backs of VA or anyone hired post “contract 200” but certainly the rest of us should spend a quiet moment or 2 years and see if we might step up just once this century.....
11-01-2017, 07:58 AM
#216
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As was inferred by the arbiitration panel, both 09 and 13 were opportunities for us to stand our ground and get scope, retirement, retro pay, industry leading pay and job protections.....they were unwilling to do for us what we are always unwilling to do for us...not on the backs of VA or anyone hired post “contract 200” but certainly the rest of us should spend a quiet moment or 2 years and see if we might step up just once this century.....
This was very smart on the companies part...good pay rates your first 5 years...good for recruiting...by the time you realize you are sucking hind-tit career-wise it will be hard to leave.
I hope BM and BT are okay with 5th best on-time and customer service.
11-01-2017, 08:16 AM
#217
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As was inferred by the arbiitration panel, both 09 and 13 were opportunities for us to stand our ground and get scope, retirement, retro pay, industry leading pay and job protections.....they were unwilling to do for us what we are always unwilling to do for us...not on the backs of VA or anyone hired post “contract 200” but certainly the rest of us should spend a quiet moment or 2 years and see if we might step up just once this century.....
It takes brass balls to get a good contract! "ABC" Always Be Conflagrating
11-01-2017, 08:29 AM
#218
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Position: B737, CA
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All is well.
This is a very confusing time for me. I feel like I've been kicked in the nuts. I've never been so upset at getting a moderate pay raise in my life. I'm angry at my employer for what they think of me and how they disrespect me. I'm unhappy when told I'm #5 and that I will always be #5 because that is simply what the business model demands.
I believed that I was worthy of pay and benefits equal to my pears at other airlines. Those other airlines make less money pound for pound when all the accounting is done, but that does not matter. What matters is size (head count) and wide bodies.
So, it is what is it is. I'm to old to move on and start over. I know that for the remainder of my career I will act differently due to the actions of my management and their business model. They desire that I accept being #5 for my career - they have demanded that of me. So, I will be the best #5 Captain I can be. No extensions, no radio calls to fix this or that, no pushing to "gitter done" in any way. Just go to work, provide safe transportations to the pax, assuming the company has put everything else in place to support said operation without me doing others work outside of my cockpit. Then go home. Simple, safe, no problems. Do my job and allow others to do theirs.
I also need to start working on my sick leave bank. As a man gets older I have noticed the aches and pains that creep up some days. No point in exacerbating them by sitting in the cockpit all day. I can get paid 25% on the dollar for those unused sick days once I retire or I can get paid 100% on the dollar if I use the sick days before I retire. What to do, what to do.
The really confusing aspect of this to me is that we (Alaska ALPA) apparently are 100% happy with this decision. I may be the only Alaska pilot who has literally had sleepless nights since the award came out. I may very well be the only guy who was kicked in the nuts and is still looking for the frozen peas. Why do I say this? Because we have run a near perfect operations for the last two days since the award. So, a moderate pay raise, still leaving us behind other 737 pilots (and FiFi pilots) and slipping further and further behind with each passing year is A-OK with this pilot group. Hell, management has yet to even acknowledge that there was an award! Not one word, not one breath from our management that anything even happened! And why should they? The operation is running 100%, so all those pilots must be happy! I would have expect at least one other man or woman here to have tossed and turned in bed as much as I have been the last two nights and found themselves unfit for duty the next morning - but I guess not.
Well back to work you highly efficient #5 pilots. Gitter Done!
I believed that I was worthy of pay and benefits equal to my pears at other airlines. Those other airlines make less money pound for pound when all the accounting is done, but that does not matter. What matters is size (head count) and wide bodies.
So, it is what is it is. I'm to old to move on and start over. I know that for the remainder of my career I will act differently due to the actions of my management and their business model. They desire that I accept being #5 for my career - they have demanded that of me. So, I will be the best #5 Captain I can be. No extensions, no radio calls to fix this or that, no pushing to "gitter done" in any way. Just go to work, provide safe transportations to the pax, assuming the company has put everything else in place to support said operation without me doing others work outside of my cockpit. Then go home. Simple, safe, no problems. Do my job and allow others to do theirs.
I also need to start working on my sick leave bank. As a man gets older I have noticed the aches and pains that creep up some days. No point in exacerbating them by sitting in the cockpit all day. I can get paid 25% on the dollar for those unused sick days once I retire or I can get paid 100% on the dollar if I use the sick days before I retire. What to do, what to do.
The really confusing aspect of this to me is that we (Alaska ALPA) apparently are 100% happy with this decision. I may be the only Alaska pilot who has literally had sleepless nights since the award came out. I may very well be the only guy who was kicked in the nuts and is still looking for the frozen peas. Why do I say this? Because we have run a near perfect operations for the last two days since the award. So, a moderate pay raise, still leaving us behind other 737 pilots (and FiFi pilots) and slipping further and further behind with each passing year is A-OK with this pilot group. Hell, management has yet to even acknowledge that there was an award! Not one word, not one breath from our management that anything even happened! And why should they? The operation is running 100%, so all those pilots must be happy! I would have expect at least one other man or woman here to have tossed and turned in bed as much as I have been the last two nights and found themselves unfit for duty the next morning - but I guess not.
Well back to work you highly efficient #5 pilots. Gitter Done!
11-01-2017, 08:34 AM
#219
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The really confusing aspect of this to me is that we (Alaska ALPA) apparently are 100% happy with this decision. I may be the only Alaska pilot who has literally had sleepless nights since the award came out. I may very well be the only guy who was kicked in the nuts and is still looking for the frozen peas. Why do I say this? Because we have run a near perfect operations for the last two days since the award. So, a moderate pay raise, still leaving us behind other 737 pilots (and FiFi pilots) and slipping further and further behind with each passing year is A-OK with this pilot group. Hell, management has yet to even acknowledge that there was an award! Not one word, not one breath from our management that anything even happened! And why should they? The operation is running 100%, so all those pilots must be happy! I would have expect at least one other man or woman here to have tossed and turned in bed as much as I have been the last two nights and found themselves unfit for duty the next morning - but I guess not.
Well back to work you highly efficient #5 pilots. Gitter Done!
Well back to work you highly efficient #5 pilots. Gitter Done!
11-01-2017, 08:34 AM
#220
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This, this, a thousand times, this.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
Do you really believe the drivel you just spewed. You're ok providing arguably one of the best products out there for a discounted wage?
If I were you, I'd start delivering the 5th best everything. 5th place in On-time, 5th most efficient fuel burns, go 5 times the distance around weather, deliver 1/5 the PA's the other carriers do, 5 times as many maintenance write-ups ect, ect.............
Bet the F/A's are next for this 5th best nonsense as well and they too should provide the 5th best in everything!!
Anyone who condones this as satisfactory should be ashamed of themselves.
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