Arbitration
10-31-2017, 07:22 PM
#201
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 20
Next Up E190/195 at Horizon Air
Next up for your guys is a 6 year Section Six negotiations, while your seniority list only moves by retirements. You will have up gauging from the MAX and any NEO 321 they keep, but kiss growth goodbye, as all airlines will undergo margin compression for the next 5 years, and ALK balance sheet is as leveraged now as all the rest.
10-31-2017, 07:41 PM
#202
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Dave Cambell, President at Horizon is quoted as saying 100 seat jets are the future at Horizon. It would not be the E175 I would be worried about, but the E2 190/195. You guys got played by the Sociopaths with MBA's at Angle Lake.
Next up for your guys is a 6 year Section Six negotiations, while your seniority list only moves by retirements. You will have up gauging from the MAX and any NEO 321 they keep, but kiss growth goodbye, as all airlines will undergo margin compression for the next 5 years, and ALK balance sheet is as leveraged now as all the rest.
Next up for your guys is a 6 year Section Six negotiations, while your seniority list only moves by retirements. You will have up gauging from the MAX and any NEO 321 they keep, but kiss growth goodbye, as all airlines will undergo margin compression for the next 5 years, and ALK balance sheet is as leveraged now as all the rest.
10-31-2017, 08:40 PM
#204
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 658
What better way to attract pimple faced 1500hr CFI's than promise them the right seat of a big, fast, shiny, E2? SJS is real. Just look at Mesa, who is filling classes despite being an embarrassment to the industry in terms of compensation and work rules. Give Horizon recruits a big new hire bonus and guarantee that they won't have to fly some dumpy turboprop, and there will be a line of people tripping over their balls to come there.
10-31-2017, 08:47 PM
#205
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 23
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
10-31-2017, 09:19 PM
#206
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 42
He's also the guy that stated ANC would get jets and grow...you read the QX page lately?
Dave Cambell, President at Horizon is quoted as saying 100 seat jets are the future at Horizon. It would not be the E175 I would be worried about, but the E2 190/195. You guys got played by the Sociopaths with MBA's at Angle Lake.
Next up for your guys is a 6 year Section Six negotiations, while your seniority list only moves by retirements. You will have up gauging from the MAX and any NEO 321 they keep, but kiss growth goodbye, as all airlines will undergo margin compression for the next 5 years, and ALK balance sheet is as leveraged now as all the rest.
Next up for your guys is a 6 year Section Six negotiations, while your seniority list only moves by retirements. You will have up gauging from the MAX and any NEO 321 they keep, but kiss growth goodbye, as all airlines will undergo margin compression for the next 5 years, and ALK balance sheet is as leveraged now as all the rest.
10-31-2017, 10:27 PM
#207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 173
This, this, a thousand times, this.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
11-01-2017, 12:37 AM
#208
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 80
Once again alaska pilots show themselves as cheap tables that fold under anything. The Mesa of 737 operators...while the other majors got scope clauses they had their thumbs up their ass. At least the nail is in the coffin on mainline jobs while QX and SW grow. Alaska pilots are solely to blame for this.
11-01-2017, 04:01 AM
#209
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,638
This, this, a thousand times, this.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
AS has consistently maintained that to be competitive, a cost advantage is required. And they've never aspired to offer industry-best pay; it's more about offering pay/benefits that are competitive, but attracting employees who truly want to be part of the company vs. just being in it for the pay.
They've been successful at that for the most part. Will it change with the pilot shortages? Possibly.
And possibly not.
But for the life of this new agreement, AS has managed to lock in a notable cost advantage over AA/DL/UA/WN.
11-01-2017, 04:59 AM
#210
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 95
I don't believe QX can operate greater than 76 seat jets as long as they are part of AAG. If they do they are required to merge with AS per the contract. This is what I was told by someone in the union. Check out section 1.C.3 then lookup the definition of "small aircraft"in section 2.
This doesn't stop a company not part of AAG flying them. Just Horizon, unless they are sold.
This doesn't stop a company not part of AAG flying them. Just Horizon, unless they are sold.
What better way to attract pimple faced 1500hr CFI's than promise them the right seat of a big, fast, shiny, E2? SJS is real. Just look at Mesa, who is filling classes despite being an embarrassment to the industry in terms of compensation and work rules. Give Horizon recruits a big new hire bonus and guarantee that they won't have to fly some dumpy turboprop, and there will be a line of people tripping over their balls to come there.
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