Arbitration
10-30-2017, 05:07 PM
#161
missionary
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Right seat 787 or missionary
Posts: 98
eff'd again
I was really pulling for you guys, hoping to live vicariously through you.
Kasher all over again-
No disrespect intended, but:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Maybe next time, during negotiations, you guys will ALL wear your orange lanyards, stop working premium, and stop selling back your vacations... for starters
Jeff Parker at American told the pilots that they would have to wait until the next negotiations to re-visit pay. They forced his hand and the rest is history. They proved that it's never too late.
My hope for you guys is that's the wheels come off of the bus and that there's a mass exodus of talent
Kasher all over again-
No disrespect intended, but:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Maybe next time, during negotiations, you guys will ALL wear your orange lanyards, stop working premium, and stop selling back your vacations... for starters
Jeff Parker at American told the pilots that they would have to wait until the next negotiations to re-visit pay. They forced his hand and the rest is history. They proved that it's never too late.
My hope for you guys is that's the wheels come off of the bus and that there's a mass exodus of talent
Last edited by GearBoy; 10-30-2017 at 05:24 PM.
10-30-2017, 05:10 PM
#163
New boss = Old boss
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
It’s worth remembering that we still had 2 years to go on our old pay rates etc. The only reason we got anything is because the company agreed to open the three sections to facilitate the merger with VX. It is what it is and now we move forward with section 6 by 2020. In the mean time the pay will increase 3% a year.
10-30-2017, 05:17 PM
#165
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,211
Scope is a big deal long term. But short-term why would the company want to raise junior FO pay if they plan to outsource vast amounts of flying? If they're going to furlough, no need to raise pay to attract pilots. Perhaps they're simply holding onto scope because it's a big chip for the next round?
RJ's, despite cheap labor, are not nearly as cost-effective at moving pax. Only thing they really have going for them is it's easier to provide frequency on light routes. Plus in a couple years it's going to be a lot easier to find a competent jet pilot for a NB than for an RJ...
RJ's, despite cheap labor, are not nearly as cost-effective at moving pax. Only thing they really have going for them is it's easier to provide frequency on light routes. Plus in a couple years it's going to be a lot easier to find a competent jet pilot for a NB than for an RJ...
10-30-2017, 05:25 PM
#166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Captain B-737
Posts: 290
I was really pulling for you guys, hoping to live vicariously through you.
No disrespect intended, but:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Maybe next time, during negotiations, you guys will ALL wear your orange lanyards, stop working premium, and stop selling back your vacations... for starters
Jeff Parker at American told the pilots that they would have to wait until the next negotiations to re-visit pay. They forced his hand and the rest is history. They proved that it's never too late.
No disrespect intended, but:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Maybe next time, during negotiations, you guys will ALL wear your orange lanyards, stop working premium, and stop selling back your vacations... for starters
Jeff Parker at American told the pilots that they would have to wait until the next negotiations to re-visit pay. They forced his hand and the rest is history. They proved that it's never too late.
10-30-2017, 05:54 PM
#167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Right Window
Posts: 138
It’s worth remembering that we still had 2 years to go on our old pay rates etc. The only reason we got anything is because the company agreed to open the three sections to facilitate the merger with VX. It is what it is and now we move forward with section 6 by 2020. In the mean time the pay will increase 3% a year.
10-30-2017, 06:08 PM
#168
missionary
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Right seat 787 or missionary
Posts: 98
You're kidding me, right?
OK. I'll concede that. Does correcting me on the name make you feel better? It's the DUI guy from America West, US Air, then, American.
But really? Does whether it's Jeff Parker, Doug Parker or even Lyle Parker make it any less true?
But really? Does whether it's Jeff Parker, Doug Parker or even Lyle Parker make it any less true?
10-30-2017, 06:13 PM
#169
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 83
If I were to say “President Danny Trump has had some serious issues recently,” it would look foolish.
10-30-2017, 08:47 PM
#170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Captain B-737
Posts: 290
No. I don’t feel one way or the other about Parker...It’s just if you can’t get the very most basic facts right, it undermines anything you say after.
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