RJs2majors

Those able and willing will bail. Let's face it, majority of those who want to leave can't for one reason or another, usually due to lack of qualifications/being undesirables. Otherwise, who in their right mind would want to work here if they are young enough to leave for greener pastures? Alaska Airlines isn't the only game in the PNW/west.

Packrat

Your problem is the Anglers haven't figured that out yet. They're cashing in huge stock options and sleeping in their own beds every night.

ForeverJunior

Interesting message from GT posted yesterday on the pilot web page.

GT gets it and he's the only true leader in management. He's definitely walking a tight rope and he's probably the only pilot advocate we have.

Anyway, the recent cancellations have now gotten management's attention. But, they are still in denial. They think this has to do with the JCBA process dragging out.

No, this has to do with years of no summer vacation, flex months, inability to trade or drop, bad trips, bad lines, and overall loss of QOL going forward. We are humans, not machines. We get tired. The trips are exhausting any more. We are all getting older and the crap flying takes its toll on our bodies.

It takes a full day to recover from 3 to 4-day trips.

Maybe it would be more appropriate for pilots to call in fatigued and I wish more pilots would opt to do this instead of calling in sick. That way, there would be real fatigue data and maybe, just maybe, things would start to improve. Yeah, I know I'm dreaming.

Anyway, I digress.

In short, I don't like the implication that the recent uptick in cancellations has to do with disenchantment among the pilot group. Most of us are tired, line holders and reserves alike... maybe even the pilots who pick up premium trips.

airb320

Then don't put up with crap lines !
Have ALPA grow a pair, sit down with Management and talk about improvements... talking on message boards doesn't help against contrary belief !!!

DashTrash

The problem is, your current ALPA reps are future manglement?

ImperialxRat

They don't realize that Horizon's inability to attract new hires is a lower starting pay, flying old turbo props, and a longer path to get hired at Alaska.

In my new hire class the Horizon guys had been in the pool for almost 12 months before getting a class date, where-as I interviewed in September and got a class in November.

New hire pilots are better off going to Compass/insertregionalhere and flying a brand new RJ with a less than 2 year upgrade and then moving on to whatever major they want.

cmrflyer

Everyone is better off somewhere else. Even allegiant.
Sad but true.

AKpilot

Some people are always unhappy. I have flown with ex-frontier, allegiant, ati, Cargo carriers and many others. They are much happier at AS. We are in contract negotiations it's always a low point in employee harmony. It happens at all airlines. Put it on your Callender it's gonna happen next time too. The whiners and malcontents we had 20 years ago are still the same people. I have friends at the bigger airlines flying the same plane and they have it no better than me. The hourly rates are higher because of the contract cycles right now. Many have zero interest in flying wide body long haul stuff.

True, The management is behaving badly and ops are suffering right now. It will pass. The grass is not as green as you think it is on the other side of the fence. Everyone I fly with is pretty happy at AS. Yes we all want a raise and it will happen. If you are too old to leave...get over it. Don't drag others into your pit of misery. apc forums have a high percentage of trolls and malcontents.

GearBoy

I hope you're right about your GT. However, If the past is any indication, there is no room for pilot advovates in AIr Group management. If he's a good guy, I fear he won't last. As CP, It's not their job to listen to him. It's his job to listen to them. If he's a pilot advocate, He may soon find himself returning to the line to "spend more time with his family." The list of former management pilot advocates is long and distinguished.

The other possibility is that he's already sold his sole to be where he is. Everyone has their price. Everyone. The good guy you remember may no longer exist. Ask the Jet-A-holes about their precious KF. Some stood by him 'til the bitter end. Now he's a pariah.

If GT and his deputies start taking hostages, you'll have your answer.

In either case, change will only happen from the top down. B&B and TK made him write your letter. Expect more of the same until Brad & Benito see things differently.

As always, Set your expectations low and you won't be disappointed. Hopefully, you'll be pleasntly surprised.

Good luck over there.
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Packrat

How many of the "Alaska Legends" on the 2nd floor wall actually got there for flying. Two? You have your answer.