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Old 07-01-2017, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 757office
Wow!! That is 20% of yalls june cancels (318).

"June will go down as our bump in the road."- Horizon CEO

I'm guessing that July will go down as what? The derailing of the train?

Its funny that your ceo says the same nonsense garbage motivational (but really demotivational) sayings such as be kind hearted and we will shine. What a joke!
FWIW, I'm an Alaska pilot. Anyway, QX's CEO is cut from the same cloth as the folks who try to manage ALK.

AAG is just one dysfunctional entity.
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my mistake brother, should have looked before replying
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FWIW, I'm an Alaska pilot. Anyway, QX's CEO is cut from the same cloth as the folks who try to manage ALK.

AAG is just one dysfunctional entity.
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When, if EVER, will Angle Lake get their heads straight? Do they have meetings asking what is happening and wondering why people are leaving...and then just look at each other and shrug? I'm guessing 75% of AS pilots know the deal and the remaining 25% are either new or just have their heads in the sand.

Good luck dude....The entire industry is behind you!

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Originally Posted by Going2Baja
When, if EVER, will Angle Lake get their heads straight? Do they have meetings asking what is happening and wondering why people are leaving...and then just look at each other and shrug? I'm guessing 75% of AS pilots know the deal and the remaining 25% are either new or just have their heads in the sand.

Good luck dude....The entire industry is behind you!

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This isn't what pilots wants to hear... Managments objective is to lower labor costs,maximize profits, and raise the stock price. So if they can delay the contract and drive away higher priced labor (PILOTS) by leaving to the competition and still fly its schedule of flights they have done their jobs. In the long run they know they will eventually have to pay up.
For now they are saving 20-30 million a month. Even with the cancellations the company is still more profitable, than paying the higher labor costs. Yes it looks completely inept to a pilot but in the eyes of the execs it's acceptable. Management knows that a flight deck crew can do the job wether they are both on year twelve or year three of the pay scale, of course year three makes them more dough...
Do you remember the United debacle a few months ago about the beating their passenger had??? That's right. No one else does. They have moved on and the flying public just want their cheap seats with the least amount of legs to get there. We as pilots don't forget because this stuff is our lives... My neighbor couldn't care less. He just wants a cheap seat. That's my take.
I hope just as much as all of us do that Alaska knocks it out of the park with their new contract! Vote no until you get what you want.
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Originally Posted by beech1980
This isn't what pilots wants to hear... Managments objective is to lower labor costs,maximize profits, and raise the stock price. So if they can delay the contract and drive away higher priced labor (PILOTS) by leaving to the competition and still fly its schedule of flights they have done their jobs. In the long run they know they will eventually have to pay up.
For now they are saving 20-30 million a month. Even with the cancellations the company is still more profitable, than paying the higher labor costs. Yes it looks completely inept to a pilot but in the eyes of the execs it's acceptable. Management knows that a flight deck crew can do the job wether they are both on year twelve or year three of the pay scale, of course year three makes them more dough...
Do you remember the United debacle a few months ago about the beating their passenger had??? That's right. No one else does. They have moved on and the flying public just want their cheap seats with the least amount of legs to get there. We as pilots don't forget because this stuff is our lives... My neighbor couldn't care less. He just wants a cheap seat. That's my take.
I hope just as much as all of us do that Alaska knocks it out of the park with their new contract! Vote no until you get what you want.
Leisure travelers feel as you mention. Business travelers not so much. Delta ran a crappy airline 10 years ago and could only net 90% of the revenue average in the industry. New management went all out to improve completion factor and ontime. Revenue went to 114% of the industry average and profits soared.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Leisure travelers feel as you mention. Business travelers not so much. Delta ran a crappy airline 10 years ago and could only net 90% of the revenue average in the industry. New management went all out to improve completion factor and ontime. Revenue went to 114% of the industry average and profits soared.
I agree business travelers need the reliability. What are their other options when they need to fly on a route that might only be served by Alaska air group? So they are hamstrung in the short and probably ****ed off. Clearly it's only temporary and soon enough the contact will be settled and horizon will pay more to snag pilots from other regionals.
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Originally Posted by ForeverJunior
FWIW, I'm an Alaska pilot. Anyway, QX's CEO is cut from the same cloth as the folks who try to manage ALK.

AAG is just one dysfunctional entity.
AS senior managers are groomed through QX (or have been in the past).
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Horizon, being just a wholly owned carrier is not on the radar. Alaska Airlines will add more Skywest and throw some mainline back on some of the routes that were traditionally flown with a 737.
The focus for Alaska Airlines leadership is JCBA arbitration and then fanning the flames of integration. We dont becom amenable until 2020. There will be no voting until then. In the meantime most premium flying is being scooped up by all the usuals. Rode in the back on 2 flights today
and both captains got on the PA and talked endlessly about what a great choice Alaska is and how proud we are of JD Power blah blah blah.....Alaska pilots have very short memories. Less than 4 years after the Kasher arbitration ran a wrecking ball through our contract, we voted to give away the pension plan for new hires and got nothing in return. We lag in compensation and work rules because we earned the right to. Nothing to see here. Just a 35 yr old pattern repeating itself.
 
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