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06-21-2017, 10:35 AM

#31

jayme

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We've already agreed to go to arbitration if mediation doesn't work out. And our last mediated session is next week.

06-21-2017, 10:37 AM

#32

Packrat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugaboo

I don't think anyone can make an accurate prediction on what the arbitrator will hand out when this goes to arbitration. I personally think that, if the arbitrator handed out what you say above, he would be looking over his shoulder for a long time.

Kasher handed out -22% for CAs and -30+% for F/Os. And the Co. still furloughed a bunch of guys, some for 3+ years. So don't think an arbitrator is guaranteed to hand out raises of any kind.

That's why the term "Kasherstrated" originated.

06-21-2017, 12:53 PM

#33

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jayme

We've already agreed to go to arbitration if mediation doesn't work out. And our last mediated session is next week.

Didn't you guys get hammered last time in arbitration? You were used several times as a reason you never want to accept arbitration in our negotiations! Did the membership ratify that choice?

06-21-2017, 01:03 PM

#34

RJs2majors

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You can only go to arbitration if both sides agree. That's not going to happen again at AK.

Get the facts straight before stroking the keys dude.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Didn't you guys get hammered last time in arbitration? You were used several times as a reason you never want to accept arbitration in our negotiations! Did the membership ratify that choice?

Allegedly.

06-21-2017, 06:08 PM

#35

YXnot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Didn't you guys get hammered last time in arbitration? You were used several times as a reason you never want to accept arbitration in our negotiations! Did the membership ratify that choice?

The membership surely did not ratify that choice. It was agreed to by leadership in the tpa.

06-21-2017, 06:13 PM

#36

Mea25000

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BiloxiJack

If the raise is only 15-25 percent, I'll be leaving at the first opportunity that presents itself..as will at least 13 other first officers that I keep up with on a regular basis.

Well you are about to update your stuff... 20% now 3% 4/1/18

06-21-2017, 06:45 PM

#37

coolyokeluke

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mea25000

Well you are about to update your stuff... 20% now 3% 4/1/18

That was management's offer: a 3% raise in April of next year? Via the latest mediated session?

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06-21-2017, 07:21 PM

#38

BiloxiJack

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I think he is saying a 20% raise immediately, then a 3% percent increase 4/18? Is that correct cooly?

Is that a blanket raise for the entire scale or top scale? That would be an absolutely pathetic increase for most of the fo pay scale and some of the ca scale.

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Originally Posted by coolyokeluke

That was management's offer: a 3% raise in April of next year? Via the latest mediated session?

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06-21-2017, 10:53 PM

#39

Bugaboo

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Originally Posted by Packrat

I don't think anyone can predict how arbitration will work out when it goes that way.....I hope it does!

06-22-2017, 12:15 AM

#40

Wynncore

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BiloxiJack

A 20% raise for a 12 year CAs puts them at $259.20. Another 3% raise puts them at $266.97 in April 2018. You are correct concerning FOs, a 20% raise for the FO scale is weak.