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Old 06-20-2017, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BiloxiJack
If the raise is only 15-25 percent, I'll be leaving at the first opportunity that presents itself..as will at least 13 other first officers that I keep up with on a regular basis.
Right there with you. I think if we were shooting for 15-25% we would have a contract by now. According to union emails, the company cant wrap their head around the current market rates. Which tells me we are shooting for a lot higher. And i support them 100% for it.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:28 PM
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:38 PM
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Arbitrator is going to give us 20% over 3 years. That will keep us under American. We will get no meaningful scope. He will direct us to negotiate that in 2020. Retirement will be 2.5% over 3 years...Unless you are waiting on a class date at a major to pull the trigger you likely are not going anywhere.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BiloxiJack
If the raise is only 15-25 percent, I'll be leaving at the first opportunity that presents itself..as will at least 13 other first officers that I keep up with on a regular basis.
The 15-25% figure I used was referring to the CAs who are topped out on the AS pay scale. 15% brings them to $248, 25% brings them to $270.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
Arbitrator is going to give us 20% over 3 years. That will keep us under American. We will get no meaningful scope. He will direct us to negotiate that in 2020. Retirement will be 2.5% over 3 years...Unless you are waiting on a class date at a major to pull the trigger you likely are not going anywhere.
I don't think anyone can make an accurate prediction on what the arbitrator will hand out when this goes to arbitration. I personally think that, if the arbitrator handed out what you say above, he would be looking over his shoulder for a long time.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugaboo
I don't think anyone can make an accurate prediction on what the arbitrator will hand out when this goes to arbitration. I personally think that, if the arbitrator handed out what you say above, he would be looking over his shoulder for a long time.
You guys do understand that arbitrators don't award or hand out anything. They can only suggest options to bring each side to a agreement. They have no power to award or dictate.
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:48 AM
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You guys do understand that arbitrators don't award or hand out anything. They can only suggest options to bring each side to a agreement. They have no power to award or dictate.
You are talking about mediation. Arbitration is binding. It's the last straw, so to speak.
Arbitration, a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), is a technique for the resolution of disputes outside the courts. The parties to a dispute refer it to arbitration by one or more persons (the "arbitrators", "arbiters" or "arbitral tribunal"), and agree to be bound by the arbitration decision (the "award").
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You guys do understand that arbitrators don't award or hand out anything. They can only suggest options to bring each side to a agreement. They have no power to award or dictate.
Tell that to anyone that was here during Kasher...
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:31 AM
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Tell that to anyone that was here during Kasher...
I meant to say mediator in my post. You guys won't go to arbitration again ever.
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RJs2majors
You are talking about mediation. Arbitration is binding. It's the last straw, so to speak.
Arbitration, a form of alternative dispute resolution (ADR), is a technique for the resolution of disputes outside the courts. The parties to a dispute refer it to arbitration by one or more persons (the "arbitrators", "arbiters" or "arbitral tribunal"), and agree to be bound by the arbitration decision (the "award").
You can only go to arbitration if both sides agree. That's not going to happen again at AK.
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