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06-23-2018, 08:20 AM
#6631
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 303
Jesus, read the union newsletter this was JUST covered because so many people don’t know how it works.
No. You do not “lose your critical pay.” You get paid the GREATER of:
1) the credit for your Junior Man at 200%
2) the credit value of your day in lieu
You are pay protected for any flying that they have to pull before/after the day in lieu to split you back into the trip.
EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A DAY IN LIEU WHENEVER IT IS AN OPTION
If you want to work on you day in lieu, then pick something up at 200% or volunteer for another junior man. Which will result in another day in lieu and 200% pay.
No. You do not “lose your critical pay.” You get paid the GREATER of:
1) the credit for your Junior Man at 200%
2) the credit value of your day in lieu
You are pay protected for any flying that they have to pull before/after the day in lieu to split you back into the trip.
EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A DAY IN LIEU WHENEVER IT IS AN OPTION
If you want to work on you day in lieu, then pick something up at 200% or volunteer for another junior man. Which will result in another day in lieu and 200% pay.
06-23-2018, 02:37 PM
#6632
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 58
Jesus, read the union newsletter this was JUST covered because so many people don’t know how it works.
No. You do not “lose your critical pay.” You get paid the GREATER of:
1) the credit for your Junior Man at 200%
2) the credit value of your day in lieu
You are pay protected for any flying that they have to pull before/after the day in lieu to split you back into the trip.
EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A DAY IN LIEU WHENEVER IT IS AN OPTION
If you want to work on you day in lieu, then pick something up at 200% or volunteer for another junior man. Which will result in another day in lieu and 200% pay.
No. You do not “lose your critical pay.” You get paid the GREATER of:
1) the credit for your Junior Man at 200%
2) the credit value of your day in lieu
You are pay protected for any flying that they have to pull before/after the day in lieu to split you back into the trip.
EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A DAY IN LIEU WHENEVER IT IS AN OPTION
If you want to work on you day in lieu, then pick something up at 200% or volunteer for another junior man. Which will result in another day in lieu and 200% pay.
If you are JM’ed for a min day, you’ll have 6 hrs credit for that day (3 hrs @ 200%). If you then get back a day worth 7 hrs, you just lost 1hr of pay. Unless you can pick up something on that day, your credit for the month will be less.
I would suggest only taking the day back if you can afford to lose the pay.
ID
06-23-2018, 03:41 PM
#6633
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 101
Take your JM day @ 200%. Add that to your monthly credit. Then when CS decides what day you want in lieu, subtract the value of that day from your new, updated credit.
If you are JM’ed for a min day, you’ll have 6 hrs credit for that day (3 hrs @ 200%). If you then get back a day worth 7 hrs, you just lost 1hr of pay. Unless you can pick up something on that day, your credit for the month will be less.
I would suggest only taking the day back if you can afford to lose the pay.
ID
If you are JM’ed for a min day, you’ll have 6 hrs credit for that day (3 hrs @ 200%). If you then get back a day worth 7 hrs, you just lost 1hr of pay. Unless you can pick up something on that day, your credit for the month will be less.
I would suggest only taking the day back if you can afford to lose the pay.
ID
06-23-2018, 03:46 PM
#6634
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 171
Take your JM day @ 200%. Add that to your monthly credit. Then when CS decides what day you want in lieu, subtract the value of that day from your new, updated credit.
If you are JM’ed for a min day, you’ll have 6 hrs credit for that day (3 hrs @ 200%). If you then get back a day worth 7 hrs, you just lost 1hr of pay. Unless you can pick up something on that day, your credit for the month will be less.
I would suggest only taking the day back if you can afford to lose the pay.
ID
If you are JM’ed for a min day, you’ll have 6 hrs credit for that day (3 hrs @ 200%). If you then get back a day worth 7 hrs, you just lost 1hr of pay. Unless you can pick up something on that day, your credit for the month will be less.
I would suggest only taking the day back if you can afford to lose the pay.
ID
In this example you would get paid for the 7 hours of credit, not 6.
You get paid the GREATER of the two days (JM credit vs. Day in Lieu credit).
ALWAYS TAKE YOUR DAY IN LIEU.
06-23-2018, 04:01 PM
#6635
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 58
I’ve dealt with this for almost 2 decades. It’s always been that way. Why else would the pilot group be asking for “the day AND the pay “?
ID
06-23-2018, 04:04 PM
#6636
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 58
And as I responded to T28, why would the pilot group be so adamant about wanting “the pay AND the day”?
ID
06-23-2018, 04:08 PM
#6637
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 171
This is different. In this case, you are wrong. It’s not a personal attack, just a statement of fact. You will not lose 1 hour of pay if you take a day in lieu on a 7 credit hour day when your JM credit is 6 hours. You will be paid for the 7 hour day, not the 6 hour day.
Conversely if you take a day in lieu worth 3 hours and your JM credit was 12 hours, you will have a net increase of 9 hours for your monthly credit (12-3=9).
06-23-2018, 04:15 PM
#6638
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 58
Because the “day and the pay” in the TA refers to having the pay for the junior man as well as a pay protected day in lieu.
This is different. In this case, you are wrong. It’s not a personal attack, just a statement of fact. You will not lose 1 hour of pay if you take a day in lieu on a 7 credit hour day when your JM credit is 6 hours. You will be paid for the 7 hour day, not the 6 hour day.
Conversely if you take a day in lieu worth 3 hours and your JM credit was 12 hours, you will have a net increase of 9 hours for your monthly credit (12-3=9).
This is different. In this case, you are wrong. It’s not a personal attack, just a statement of fact. You will not lose 1 hour of pay if you take a day in lieu on a 7 credit hour day when your JM credit is 6 hours. You will be paid for the 7 hour day, not the 6 hour day.
Conversely if you take a day in lieu worth 3 hours and your JM credit was 12 hours, you will have a net increase of 9 hours for your monthly credit (12-3=9).
I have had exactly the scenario I brought up happen, brought it to the grievance committee, and was told “no, that’s how it is, you don’t have a grievance “. Haven’t taken a day-in-lieu since.
ID
06-23-2018, 04:19 PM
#6639
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 171
Sent you a PM, Deena, with a link to the explanation of this stuff on the crew team site. The misinformation regarding how days in Lieu affect pay is a big issue at Air Wisconsin. Many people (myself included) blindly believed that they could “lose pay” by taking their day in lieu. As a result we have had and continue to have people working 20+ days in a month and avoiding taking days in lieu because they fear that somehow they will make less than the credit on their awarded line if they do.
06-23-2018, 04:20 PM
#6640
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 171
Sent you a second PM.
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