RJ4LIFE

What's funny is when TA voting starts and every pilot turns into a financial analyst / labor relations attorney and almost completely ignores these actual experts, whose advise their dues money is being used to pay for. My observation from the first vote is that people voted more based on emotion than logic, and didn't really trust what their elected reps and SME advisors were telling them. I'd say ALPA would almost be better off sending psychologists and grief counselors to the roadshows.

I'm just pointing out that in hindsight perhaps the MEC and NC guys were right to have supported the 2015 TA. They said repeatedly that if the TA got voted down that a new one would likely not be reached for at least 18 months, which was the early-opener from that two year duration TA. So in other words, the group could have been enjoying the QOL benefits of the TA (although they were fairly modest for line holders) for the last 2.5 years and re-started negotiating again a full year ago with those gains locked in. Now who knows if good things like the premium pay plus a day in lieu for jr mans will still be in this TA. If that is still in there I can guarantee it took a lot more bargaining capital to get it this time around than when the original TA was negotiated.

DarkSideMoon

This is the best time to be negotiating a contract in decades.

squib

The pilot group understood that during the voting process. Very minimal gains would have been had while paying more for healthcare. There's a reason it was voted down and it wasn't simply emotion. It was garbage after 5 years of negotiations.

If it were ratified then we would be starting another decade of negotiations right now. Instead we have the leverage we had then if not even stronger now.

squib

Funny how you play both roles in the same post.

FODhopper

I was a yes at first for that 2015 TA...then republic came out with their TA right in the middle of our voting and they had pay increases and even some better QOL improvements for reserves that we didn't have and much better per diem.

I voted no because I realized that we could do better .

pitchtrim

It didn't take a genius to read the last ta and determine it was crap.

RabidW0mbat

Any word on when the TA may be made public?

Grumbletrousers

“Are You Looking at the Trees, or the Whole Forest?”

I’ll never forget that line.

Day4mx

Their main sales tactic was to repeatedly tell us if we vote yes we can keep our october first raise implying it was going away if we voted no. They had to sell it under false pretenses it sucked so hard.

RJ4LIFE

There is no question that it was a very disappointing TA and woefully short of what we deserved, but that doesn't mean it was concessionary, nor does it mean that ratifying it would have been a mistake. The fact is that it matters not one bit how much bargaining power you think you have, it only matters how much bargaining power the company thinks you have. And given the 2.5 years it has taken to get TA2, they obviously have a very different opinion.