mainlinesalad

I guess it was just differences training for the 700/900.

sweetholyjesus

^^Sorry your friend already ruined the joke. You guys need to find a new hobby.

mainlinesalad

That is absolutely the correct choice he is going to republic

Pilotdude3407

Another blunder? What were the other "blunders"?

And United is the only ALPA carrier that has contract language speaking to this so it's not "strange" that it happened. Lastly, there wasn't a deal worked out between ARW and UAL MEC, it was UAL MEC getting the green light from the company and then telling ARW that they are allowed to do it.

sweetholyjesus

Well since it didn't actually happen I guess there's nothing to consider as "strange".. By the exact words of the MEC's own email ZERO awac pilots are distressed, even according to UAL. Unless you have been laid off without telling anyone?? But go ahead and lie on your application, I'm sure it'll work out...

And what blunders? Let's start with that concessionary TA after years of negotiations in a profitable market. Or the latest LOA that has long term gains for the company, but none for any incumbent pilots beyond 2017. How many of you captains have been seeing critical pay trips in your open time? Yea, didn't think so... that's because of poor language from poor negotiating. How many new hires has it attracted? Yea, didn't think so... And now the MEC tells all its pilots to literally lie on their applications to United because they don't understand how the process works.

Some people thought CD was making a threat about misrepresenting your employment status. That is no threat. It is good advice to prevent the stupidity of the MEC from costing people jobs at United. Still waiting for ARW MEC's retraction email and apology!

Pilotdude3407

The lack of your experience with anything you just wrote about is painful to read. What committee do you currently volunteer for? Since the negotiators seem to be such blundering idiots, I'm assuming you applied for that position? Or maybe you ran for a rep position so you can straighten out the raging incompetence around ARW? That's right...didn't think so.

You do realize that the LOA costs the company around 5.5 million dollars and cost us nothing? You also do realize that the company is in control of new hire attraction? They have the sole ability to raise not only first year rates, but the retention bonuses as they see fit to attract and keep current people? Did you realize they have chosen not to do it yet? So the attracting new hires hate speech you are giving to mec is not their problem...it is the company's.

Your anger needs to be directed at the people directly responsible for your continued employment and not the group of VOLUNTEERS that are doing nothing more than trying to ensure you don't land on your backside if this place folds. Show a little gratitude or at the very least I better hear of your name on a rep ballot or volunteer list. Until then, you are doing nothing but making yourself look like a child that didn't get its way.

sweetholyjesus

Same old tired rhetoric. So, I guess I'm not allowed to be unhappy with something that I pay for? Are you saying you were happy with our last TA?? If I'm going to pay for something I want my money spent on more than just coffee parties where we can all talk about the MEC's failures.

Try to talk down all you want, the simple fact is the company has had their way since I've been here. Yes the company has control over new hire attraction. The MEC gave them that control, and even signed away the company's requirement to negotiate with us so that they could "focus on new hire training"! So what have we gotten in return for that forfeiture so far? How many new hires are in training right now keeping the company so busy that they can't negotiate??

Maybe try to actually answer these questions. Sending baseless personal attacks just because we disagree makes you look like a child that tantrums when things don't go your way

Pilotdude3407

I love that you are trying to turn it on me about my rhetoric and talking down as you sit here and BASH a group of volunteers that are dedicating their time to try and help this pilot group, including you. Yes you are allowed to be unhappy, but not disrespectful. As stated, for the amount of disdain you are projecting, I'm assuming you have volunteered to help. If not, then you are not helping anyone.

To your questions. While I know this will fall on deaf ears due to the fact that everything will be old rhetoric, I will bite and answer your questions. 1.)Your MEC has not failed you...your company has. Your MEC does not control our JSA's in any way shape or form. Your MEC has not been the one refusing to communicate a future beyond 2018. Your MEC was not stalling contract negotiations for 6 years. Your MEC was not the one asking for concessions while every other carrier was getting raises. Your MEC does not control money that goes in or out of ATW. 2) You keep talking about how the MEC gave company control of new hires. Again, they do not control that. In addition to my points above, the MEC does not control advertising for the company. The MEC does not conduct interviews, or have any say so in the hiring. The only "control" they "gave away" was the ability to the company to raise first year rates...which the company had been complaining about for years, all while refusing to offer anything but concessions to the current pilots. It again should be noted that the company has not implemented these. Hmm, sounds like they never were wanting that and it was a further stall tactic. 3) The MEC did not give away the ability to negotiate. The next meeting with the company was going to be in front of the NMB in January. With the elections, the current NMB were lame ducks and were not going to do anything worth while to get us a deal. Therefor we have to wait for the new NMB structure to be installed and brought up to speed with EVERYONE, not just us. The MEC was told it would be late Q2, early Q3 before another NMB meeting would occur...funny, I think the loa mentioned meeting with the company in Q3, so no time was lost. In addition, the loa said that the company is required to negotiate with us upon new or continued business is obtained which they didn't have to do as it stood.

These answered your questions that you have now. I assume you will respond with how this is all BS and old rhetoric. In that case, I have nothing for you. You will continue to be an unhappy person with misplaced anger. Again, you should try to volunteer and and learn how this works vs spewing hatred and misinformation you don't understand.

sweetholyjesus

Firstly I appreciate you taking the time to answer. Remember, it was you that asked where I thought the MEC had failed. I answered you. You decided to insult me because you didn't like the answers.

With that being said: "WHEREAS, the parties have agreed that the next bargaining session be no later than the third Quarter of 2017 as determined by the National Mediation Board to allow the Company the opportunity to implement these provisions and focus on pilot hiring and training."

Sounds to me like both parties had to agree to delay the negotiations. And you're right, the company has had the control to raise 1st year wages and bonuses, but haven't. You say it was a stall tactic. I AGREE! It's a tactic that the MEC fell for. Approve poor language and forfeit control, and that's what will happen!

Finally, please stop putting words in my mouth. Not once have I said I don't appreciate the volunteers. But anyone who's paying dues should not be afraid to acknowledge their failures and mistakes. For example, the last TA was a failure. It was voted down, meaning ARW failed to represent the pilots' desires (which is what we are paying for!). Is that so hard a pill to swallow?

How can you pardon them for telling everyone to lie on their applications? I can't wait for their next email.

Junkyard Dog

I call Bull**** on this.
Keep being delusional. Until it's happening, it's nothing more than a rumor.