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10-17-2016, 04:28 AM
#3711
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Riding shotgun
Posts: 64
Can someone please explain the logic behind keeping the apu off while coming in. We work at a company that isn't willing to negotiate fair compensation; one that doesn't pay for fuel; and although they pay for cycles on the apu, fvc! them. Turn that thing on at 12,000 instead of starving the cabin of airflow when you pull the thrust levers to idle during descent and the 20 minute taxi. I think it would be different if we were getting bonuses and profit sharing checks, but we are not.
10-17-2016, 05:04 AM
#3712
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Can someone please explain the logic behind keeping the apu off while coming in. We work at a company that isn't willing to negotiate fair compensation; one that doesn't pay for fuel; and although they pay for cycles on the apu, fvc! them. Turn that thing on at 12,000 instead of starving the cabin of airflow when you pull the thrust levers to idle during descent and the 20 minute taxi. I think it would be different if we were getting bonuses and profit sharing checks, but we are not.
I wouldn't want to be in the back
10-17-2016, 10:28 AM
#3713
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Riding shotgun
Posts: 64
An interesting point was made to me today..... for those of you holding out hope for something great; that hope is gone. For those of you holding out hope that we will be save by an acquisition; the pilots on the seniority list would probably not be eligible for a new hire bonus. You would be entitled to the longevity bonus if there is one in place, but as for an upfront 20,000.00 sign on bonus, no. I hope all of you get out and get to go to a place of your choosing and not a default lateral move because you can't or didn't get in elsewhere.
But food for thought. It would probably be better to go sooner than later when the sign on bonus is beyond your grasp because you waited just too long.
But food for thought. It would probably be better to go sooner than later when the sign on bonus is beyond your grasp because you waited just too long.
10-17-2016, 11:38 AM
#3714
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 417
An interesting point was made to me today..... for those of you holding out hope for something great; that hope is gone. For those of you holding out hope that we will be save by an acquisition; the pilots on the seniority list would probably not be eligible for a new hire bonus. You would be entitled to the longevity bonus if there is one in place, but as for an upfront 20,000.00 sign on bonus, no. I hope all of you get out and get to go to a place of your choosing and not a default lateral move because you can't or didn't get in elsewhere.
But food for thought. It would probably be better to go sooner than later when the sign on bonus is beyond your grasp because you waited just too long.
But food for thought. It would probably be better to go sooner than later when the sign on bonus is beyond your grasp because you waited just too long.
10-17-2016, 11:46 AM
#3716
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,223
Aside from rambling and being incoherent, it's flawed logic. People trying to leave are trying to go to a LCC or major. They aren't offering any bonus. Those people staying, aren't going to voluntarily go to a regional until the doors close and lights go out and they have no other option. You think some 99xx number is going to jump at a bonus at PSA? Only the bottom of the list right now is making lateral moves. For the rest of us, it's a last resort.
The 12's, 14's, and 16's have all moved on for the most part as well if they have been hustling. Where is junior CA nowadays? I'm guessing in the 22's? Those are the guys who have a really touch decision to make. They could jump over to CommutAir or Piedmont and be instant CAs. Plus get a $15k to $20k bonus. They will likely make more money year one than they would as a junior CA at AWAC.
Any and ALL junior FOs should be bailing. ASAP. AWAC reminds me of XJT when they started downsizing.
10-17-2016, 11:48 AM
#3717
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: CA
Posts: 309
Any FO on property needs to look at other regionals. I've been at AWAC almost 3 years and I'm making a lateral and start class next week at a new airline. With the bonus money plus a upgrade in the next couple months I'll be making a substantial amount more and I'll have job security.
If any of you guys have questions about Piedmont shoot me a PM.
If any of you guys have questions about Piedmont shoot me a PM.
10-17-2016, 11:50 AM
#3718
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 227
Aside from rambling and being incoherent, it's flawed logic. People trying to leave are trying to go to a LCC or major. They aren't offering any bonus. Those people staying, aren't going to voluntarily go to a regional until the doors close and lights go out and they have no other option. You think some 99xx number is going to jump at a bonus at PSA? Only the bottom of the list right now is making lateral moves. For the rest of us, it's a last resort.
10-17-2016, 11:57 AM
#3719
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,223
Any FO on property needs to look at other regionals. I've been at AWAC almost 3 years and I'm making a lateral and start class next week at a new airline. With the bonus money plus a upgrade in the next couple months I'll be making a substantial amount more and I'll have job security.
If any of you guys have questions about Piedmont shoot me a PM.
If any of you guys have questions about Piedmont shoot me a PM.
Your worst case scenario at a Piedmont and CommutAir for example is instant upgrade (provided you have the 1000 SIC) and $15k/$20k bonus your first year to help seal the deal.
10-17-2016, 01:44 PM
#3720
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 547
For those of us near the top of the FO list...we don't even have the "impending upgrade" to keep us here since that seems like deep into spring before that happens...I sense some CA's could come crashing down on us before that.
A lateral move is not a no-brainer but it would not be detrimental if made under the right circumstances. As each day goes by, I would feel less and less like I would "regret it"
A lateral move is not a no-brainer but it would not be detrimental if made under the right circumstances. As each day goes by, I would feel less and less like I would "regret it"
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