Junkyard Dog

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Originally Posted by toolowterrain

My personal opinions:

My biggest concern is that if this attrition continues (and I mean specifically F/O attrition), which is inevitable, with no significant NH's, AWAC will be forced to park airplanes at a faster rate than planned. To cover F/O's they WILL have to downgrade.

So the moral of the story kids is: if you are an Junior to Mid-Senior F/O you will NOT upgrade unless you stick around another 5-7 years. If you are a Junior-ish Captain, I tip my hat to you because I foresee downgrades. Interestingly, it's almost a cath-22 because one they start downgrading, you can say bye-bye to any potential new hires in today's regional environment. It's a loose-loose.

It is downright despicable what management is doing, and for this reason I am not afraid to 'put on blast', publicly, the company I once actively defended. Are Christine Deister (CEO) and Bob Frisch (COO) dead or are they retired, or in the Maldives? Are they being held hostage by Parker in the basement? I only ask because for a company that is in shambles with morale down to about 0% they sure are quiet. We do not see them, they do not communicate to their employees, they are just ghosts.


I am just glad I am not in both of those groups that will be most hurt. Good luck to all of us.
You said what we are all thinking...I am a very senior FO...all I get asked by everyone is "You must be close to upgrade" At a normal airline I would have upgraded 18 months ago..now I probably would be in the class behind the current upgrade class that doesn't have a upgrade class date right now."



Last time I flew with the number 1 FO in PHL, he told me he had no idea and hadn't heard a thing about training dates.
I believe those 4 will at least get the pay protection.
It sucks to be stuck. Back in 2008, I was downgraded and my pay went from CA pay back to FO pay for a while until I could go back to CA.
I remember Jim Rankin saying this pilot group was too expensive. I guess we're not anymore. But we do get a 1.5% pay increase on the first.
Also look in the contract. We have had several CAs leave as well. We haven't upgraded anyone since February and the contract calls for having to maintain 305 CAs in the scope language

lalo

Is that 305 predicated on a certain # of airframes? Not that it matters to me- I'm outa here ASAP, just like every other FO.

schmohawk

The next paragraph outlines exceptions to the furlough protection and minimum of 305 capts. One item is "grounding of a substantial number of the Company's aircraft"

CLT Guy

How long until LaGuardia will be closing as a base with Envoy moving back in?

I should ask the same question about you losing PHL to Piedmont and DCA to PSA.

RemoveB4Flight

Really man? Cmon.
They know the position they're in. Why keep kicking them while they're down?

MitchRapp

Come on man, really? What is it with you lately? Two years in the game and you're already heartless?

CLT Guy

Sometimes it takes honesty to make people realize that they need to make a change.

Sugar coating it just gives people the opportunity to ignore it.

I have several friends there they truly believe that everything is going to be great at AWAC. It frustrates me because I know that good people are screwing themselves by thinking this way.

I mean no offense to the good people at Air Wisconsin. I just hope they see the writing on the wall and get out soon.

RemoveB4Flight

That isn't honesty. You're rubbing their misfortune in their face. That's just called being an @$$%!?&.
Many of these guys have families and will make the best decisions for them when they determine they need to.

schmohawk

Dude, get out of here.

I think everyone here at AWAC understands our situation better than you do.
Can we swap you out for our resident troll BillyHo? At least he wasn't a prick

CLT Guy

How many people still think that it is going to get saved at the last minute and they will be the premier regional again? I know several.