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09-22-2016, 10:24 AM
#3401
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: P-28
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I wouldn't want to make that commute. If I wasn't able to get DCA right out of training I was looking at what the commute might be like from a more junior base like ORF until I could get DCA.
09-22-2016, 10:33 AM
#3402
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
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You could probably get DC out of training most likely or at least within a vacancy notice or two. But not as much movement as Orf
09-22-2016, 10:34 AM
#3403
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 185
It's a benefit to the company because current book language states the following...
"Except for irregular operations, a crewmember will not be required to drive or be driven in excess of thirty (30) miles."
There's nothing irregular about scheduled maintenance. Hence the LOA because I would assume people were stating this section of the CBA and not wanting to sit in the back of a 20 year old taxi for 2 hours. Except now, they have to.
Also, if you don't see an issue with creating new LOA's at this point during negotiations, you need to think a little bit more. Clearly that's something the company wants/needs and is a bargaining chip that should have been held on to.
"Except for irregular operations, a crewmember will not be required to drive or be driven in excess of thirty (30) miles."
There's nothing irregular about scheduled maintenance. Hence the LOA because I would assume people were stating this section of the CBA and not wanting to sit in the back of a 20 year old taxi for 2 hours. Except now, they have to.
Also, if you don't see an issue with creating new LOA's at this point during negotiations, you need to think a little bit more. Clearly that's something the company wants/needs and is a bargaining chip that should have been held on to.
A couple of points. Are you comfortable enough spending 30K of dues money to go in front of an arbitrator and argue regular vs irregular ops? As much as you may think arbitrations are black and white, they are far from it. We stand an equal chance of losing as we do winning. If we lose, it could have really bad implications such as the company claiming lots of things are irregular ops and throwing us in a cab whereas right now that is not what is being argued. At the end of the day, this all came from HOT heavy checks which we are not doing anymore. The LOA captured a way to track mileage, determine the car to be used, which doesn't include a 20yr old junker, and additional pay if they go over a certain time...all things we don't currently have. If you don't like the LOAs and don't agree with them and feel like we should have something different then feel free to go get yourself on the negotiating or grievance committee and get these things changed. These guys are doing the best they can with a contract that was largely written 15yrs ago. We should have had 3 contract by now. We don't.
09-22-2016, 07:24 PM
#3404
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 591
A couple of points. Are you comfortable enough spending 30K of dues money to go in front of an arbitrator and argue regular vs irregular ops? As much as you may think arbitrations are black and white, they are far from it. We stand an equal chance of losing as we do winning. If we lose, it could have really bad implications such as the company claiming lots of things are irregular ops and throwing us in a cab whereas right now that is not what is being argued.
At the end of the day, this all came from HOT heavy checks which we are not doing anymore. The LOA captured a way to track mileage, determine the car to be used, which doesn't include a 20yr old junker, and additional pay if they go over a certain time...all things we don't currently have.
The company is being difficult and dragging this out, the union should do the same until the there are some beneficial talks, and not creating new LOA's in the meantime.
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