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08-06-2016, 02:17 PM
#2791
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That isn't my intention.
And if put to a vote, I would say that all of the pilots that fly for AA should receive the same benefits.
This will likely start an argument, but I think that the pilots at AWAC should have the same or better benefits as the Flight Attendants at a WO'd.
And if put to a vote, I would say that all of the pilots that fly for AA should receive the same benefits.
This will likely start an argument, but I think that the pilots at AWAC should have the same or better benefits as the Flight Attendants at a WO'd.
I agree.
Granted if regionals serve multiple companies should they all get the same bennies?
08-06-2016, 02:21 PM
#2792
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The WO benefits sound great until you get to mainline and all of a sudden there are 50,000 additional people that can list at your level (folks who work at the WO'd and their family).
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
08-06-2016, 02:33 PM
#2793
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The WO benefits sound great until you get to mainline and all of a sudden there are 50,000 additional people that can list at your level (folks who work at the WO'd and their family).
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
Eh... All nonrev can suck, depending on how you use them.
I have never had a problem. Have been all over the world, both on AA and ZED's. But, nonrev travel is all about flexibility.
I am careful how I use them. I don't try to go to Hawaii (that is just stupid when flying nonrev). Rome to the US is often weight restricted and hard to nonrev, but you can fly to Barcelona or Venice easily for free and ZED to Rome for about $40 a person.
Nonrev international is easy. The flight loads usually don't change much in the 72 hours leading up to a flight (unless once cancels). People rarely book $3000 flights to Frankfurt the day before a flight. I rarely mess with domestic. The loads change so much that it is unpredictable. Even then, never plan a trip more than a week out. If you are planning a vacation more than a week out, and don't have 2-3 backup plans (different cities, etc..), then you are going to have a bad time.
And, if the loads look like they are going to suck, use the AA20. Buy a ticket for 20% off. Guaranteed seat. Not bad.
08-06-2016, 02:35 PM
#2794
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
The WO benefits sound great until you get to mainline and all of a sudden there are 50,000 additional people that can list at your level (folks who work at the WO'd and their family).
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
Of the the three major carriers AA has the WORST travel benefits of all, because you can't really reliably use them.
08-06-2016, 02:48 PM
#2795
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Position: CRJ FO
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You lost me with the "until you get to mainline" thing. The benefits at the WO are exactly the same as mainline. If I list first for seats to somewhere, and a 30 year captain lists 2 minutes after me, I get the seats. It is all by order of check in.
Eh... All nonrev can suck, depending on how you use them.
I have never had a problem. Have been all over the world, both on AA and ZED's. But, nonrev travel is all about flexibility.
I am careful how I use them. I don't try to go to Hawaii (that is just stupid when flying nonrev). Rome to the US is often weight restricted and hard to nonrev, but you can fly to Barcelona or Venice easily for free and ZED to Rome for about $40 a person.
Nonrev international is easy. The flight loads usually don't change much in the 72 hours leading up to a flight (unless once cancels). People rarely book $3000 flights to Frankfurt the day before a flight. I rarely mess with domestic. The loads change so much that it is unpredictable. Even then, never plan a trip more than a week out. If you are planning a vacation more than a week out, and don't have 2-3 backup plans (different cities, etc..), then you are going to have a bad time.
And, if the loads look like they are going to suck, use the AA20. Buy a ticket for 20% off. Guaranteed seat. Not bad.
Eh... All nonrev can suck, depending on how you use them.
I have never had a problem. Have been all over the world, both on AA and ZED's. But, nonrev travel is all about flexibility.
I am careful how I use them. I don't try to go to Hawaii (that is just stupid when flying nonrev). Rome to the US is often weight restricted and hard to nonrev, but you can fly to Barcelona or Venice easily for free and ZED to Rome for about $40 a person.
Nonrev international is easy. The flight loads usually don't change much in the 72 hours leading up to a flight (unless once cancels). People rarely book $3000 flights to Frankfurt the day before a flight. I rarely mess with domestic. The loads change so much that it is unpredictable. Even then, never plan a trip more than a week out. If you are planning a vacation more than a week out, and don't have 2-3 backup plans (different cities, etc..), then you are going to have a bad time.
And, if the loads look like they are going to suck, use the AA20. Buy a ticket for 20% off. Guaranteed seat. Not bad.
08-06-2016, 02:59 PM
#2796
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Yes you make my point for me!
Yes, your wife can get a seat before me. Awesome, right?
Until you get to mainline, and for the next 30-35+ years new hire families at the WO's are getting on the aircraft before your own family. It's much better at UAL and DAL, your family has a fleeting chance in hell of actually getting seats instead of the D2 list being 50 people long with tens of thousands of extra pass riders traveling at your priority.
It's like winning the lottery and sharing it between 300 million people. The travel benefits are greatly reduced at AA and just like the flow, they are a way to attract people to the WO's without actually paying them.
08-06-2016, 03:07 PM
#2797
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Position: EMB-145 CA
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Yes you make my point for me!
Yes, your wife can get a seat before me. Awesome, right?
Until you get to mainline, and for the next 30-35+ years new hire families at the WO's are getting on the aircraft before your own family. It's much better at UAL and DAL, your family has a fleeting chance in hell of actually getting seats instead of the D2 list being 50 people long with tens of thousands of extra pass riders traveling at your priority.
It's like winning the lottery and sharing it between 300 million people. The travel benefits are greatly reduced at AA and just like the flow, they are a way to attract people to the WO's without actually paying them.
Yes, your wife can get a seat before me. Awesome, right?
Until you get to mainline, and for the next 30-35+ years new hire families at the WO's are getting on the aircraft before your own family. It's much better at UAL and DAL, your family has a fleeting chance in hell of actually getting seats instead of the D2 list being 50 people long with tens of thousands of extra pass riders traveling at your priority.
It's like winning the lottery and sharing it between 300 million people. The travel benefits are greatly reduced at AA and just like the flow, they are a way to attract people to the WO's without actually paying them.
08-06-2016, 03:11 PM
#2798
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Some people have to work, and can't check in at T-24 hours. Some people are on trips well outside your normal east coast time zone at T-24 hours and have to set alarms to wake up in the middle of the "night" to do so. This isn't about seniority it's about priority on your own metal.
You will see what I mean when you get here. 30-35+ years of having to fight an additional tens of thousands of people to get a seat, it will get old.
The same mentality exists at the regional level for getting aircraft. Every -900 you guys get is a EMB-190 or XYZ that isn't at mainline. Great for the regional guys, but it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
08-06-2016, 03:15 PM
#2799
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Yes you make my point for me!
Yes, your wife can get a seat before me. Awesome, right?
Until you get to mainline, and for the next 30-35+ years new hire families at the WO's are getting on the aircraft before your own family. It's much better at UAL and DAL, your family has a fleeting chance in hell of actually getting seats instead of the D2 list being 50 people long with tens of thousands of extra pass riders traveling at your priority.
It's like winning the lottery and sharing it between 300 million people. The travel benefits are greatly reduced at AA and just like the flow, they are a way to attract people to the WO's without actually paying them.
Yes, your wife can get a seat before me. Awesome, right?
Until you get to mainline, and for the next 30-35+ years new hire families at the WO's are getting on the aircraft before your own family. It's much better at UAL and DAL, your family has a fleeting chance in hell of actually getting seats instead of the D2 list being 50 people long with tens of thousands of extra pass riders traveling at your priority.
It's like winning the lottery and sharing it between 300 million people. The travel benefits are greatly reduced at AA and just like the flow, they are a way to attract people to the WO's without actually paying them.
If I was a contract pilot I'd think they'd suck also. Is what is it.
08-06-2016, 04:11 PM
#2800
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Dude Really? If you are Mainline or work for a WO' the travel bennies are Great!! Why should a contract employee go before anyone that works for AAG or it's WO's. I was a WO before I went to Mainline and it's a seemless transition. The best part when you get to mainline is being able to space positive your Jumpseat on Mainline flights.
If I was a contract pilot I'd think they'd suck also. Is what is it.
If I was a contract pilot I'd think they'd suck also. Is what is it.
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