Fleron270

Since it's a fee-for-departure, they are making less money.

el jefe

That photo of the C-series QRH with AW typeface was pretty convincing when looked at quickly.

The drop in departures can be attributed to stopping the PHL-LGA and PHL-DCA flights. Maybe they don't count our forthcoming double deadheads around the system as departures?

ChipChelios

I'm talking about the fee for the departure. They will certainly make less when all they have left is ground handling. We the pilots will also make less when we have no choice but to start again somewhere else, retire, change careers or whatever each of us decide to do.

sweetholyjesus

Yes but AWAC keeps their own profits. WO's profits go straight to mainline. AND they fly for cheaper. No-brainer for management, business-wise. Terrible for pilots (and passengers). It's a glorified B scale (maybe C scale at this point ). It's one thing to contract an outside company, and another to own a "separate" company, pay below industry average wages, AND have all the profits go directly to the mainline management etc. Promise of flow (that can easily be taken away) is no excuse, imho. I'm not sure how so many pilots can go along with it..

I'm also not sure how getting rid of these terrible scope clauses isn't top on the list for all these unions. But I guess since it doesn't hurt current mainline pilots, they don't care. This industry is cutthroat but the only one's that seem to be selling each other out is the pilots.

Everybody gets one rant. Mine's over.

IADBLRJ41

Air Wis would be better off negotiating a Sunset Letter of Agreement to the contract with the pilot group. That way folks who want to stick around could make a few more $$ and the company could count on some staffing till the last flight. The cloak and dagger of waiting to tell the pilots of the lack of a future is just pure disingenuous of the management.

But what has changed in ATW not much.

FirstClass

Shame on you. How many years of abuse did it take you to arrive at that conclusion? You have classic Stockholm syndrome and need to evaluate your own role in your present situation.

boiler07

I see what you guys are talking about, and believe me, everyone at the other regionals is looking at you guys wondering what's going to happen.

If I were you guys, I wouldn't worry about being completely out of a job. That being said, a merger looks like the only way out.

Was there ever a reason given about why last year's potential deal fell apart?

highflyer0685

By last year's potential deal do you mean the TA? If so then it fell apart because it was crap. No pay raises, higher health benefit contributions...overall it was a concessionary deal although the union will deny that until the day they die.

boiler07

Sorry, I meant the deal for additional flying.

mm1989

Our CP told me it was because we wanted to be patient and not take the first deal that came our way. The company believes we will be needed in the future.