Escargot

Are you talking about the CBA or Joe "Mama" Biden?

idlethrust

Both are no good for us so what difference does it really make 😂

climb150

Saab's, dash etc were gotten rid of because they could be replaced by 50 seat jets without having to get scope concessions. Now, if they wanna get rid of 50 seaters, the only thing to replace them with have 70 plus seats.

Until United or AA pilots etc give concessions on scope, 50 seat jets will be around and I'm guessing that will be until at least 2030.

​​​​​​Pax hate anything that isn't business class on a 787. Put wifi entertainment in the 50 seaters and I bet complaints would drop dramatically.

Hedley

United’s scope policy is basically a cut and paste of the Delta contract. Their management brought on the 717, and now the 220, and got more 76 seaters, which has allowed them to announce the retirement of their 50 seat fleet. United has chosen not to exercise that option hoping that the pilots will provide relief without the expense of another fleet type and also the more stringent scope restrictions exercising that option would trigger. Being that the scope language actually got tightened in a concessionary LOA during the biggest aviation crisis in history, I’m not too worried about scope being relaxed. United and American may keep them around longer than they want to, but they will be forever trying to catch Delta as a result.

pangolin

There is a breaking point. The long game says there’s a competitive advantage to not having the 50 seaters. Pilots will be pressed that their airline needs scope concessions to remain competitive. Stand fast.

WhiskyWhisky

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Nobody is going to invest Millions into old CRJ's to integrate WiFi technology.

Hedley

Prior to COVID, passenger traffic was steadily increasing and predicted to continue. Increasing the size of the aircraft was the best way to meet that demand due to airport and ATC congestion. If that returns, I can see a situation where XYZ is no longer served by 8 little jets per day, but 4-5 bigger ones. Fuel prices will eventually climb as well making an old and inefficient aircraft less attractive. United only has 2 options for more 175’s, and I don’t see that changing. United pilots can fly them, or they can buy another NB fleet type and allow up to 70 more 76 seaters. I don’t think that United pilots will ever fly the 175. That leaves Kirby with the choice of buying something like the 220 or 195e2 and freeing up more 76 seaters for UAX, or replacing that lift with the current fleet types. I doubt that United gets a new fleet type, but instead uses 737-700’s and 319’s. The 220 or 195e2 would be a great product that customers would like, but they add cost to the system. I really don’t think that Kirby wants to face the scope restrictions that the additional 76 seaters would trigger either. He just wants a bunch of 175’s without those restrictions kicking in.

acecrackshot

Agreed. I bet you’d fill up Saabs and Dashes with WIFI and a couple of drink tickets.

Duchess

Is there any risk to scope IF United declares bankruptcy (chapter 11), Kirby could ask the judge that his major competitor (American) allows for small RJ at seats of 65 or less, and that unless United gets on an even playing field with American, they will not be able to compete?

tonsterboy5

I guess they could try that, but if American goes to chapter 11 first, trying to model after them might not be the best thing