Originally Posted by pitchtrim

Perhaps flying people safely from A to B isn't for everyone. Some people aren't cut out for it.

Originally Posted by Paladin145

I agree 100 % . The job is about safety.
The Original Post is about inconsistent training, which takes away from safety.

If any of the above posters have been at the company more than one year, then give feedback to the training department. The rest of us have to remain quiet, except on forums. The post also tells new pilots what to expect. If some of these pilots don't make it through training, it does not mean they " aren't cut out for it." It may mean that they are not cut out for probably the toughest regional airline training in the U.S. without any previous turbine time.

Like I said before. The company should add a sim check to the interview, to make sure they hire pilots whose current skills mesh with their training. It saves $ and sim time ( less extra sims needed in training), and saves peoples careers.

I know other Wisconsin pilots want to make sure enough pilots take offers, and this type of post may not help. So I understand your hostility. In my opinion, many pilots will still apply , and will do well. It is a great company, with the largest hiring bonus. I just see no reason to throw some of these new hires into training that is over their heads.

Originally Posted by Paladin145

Agreed.

Not sure why Wisconsin has you do their strange stall recovery technique, exactly on altitude, exactly on speed. One senior LCA said, " if you see your trend vector going above 200KIAS as your are leveling out, go to F.I."
WTF! You just recovered from a stall, were in a low energy state, and he wants you to go back to F.I., so you can be low energy again? It is not supposed to be a precision manuever.

"6. Regains control of the airplane and recovers to maneuvering speed and flight path appropriate for the airplane's configuration without exceeding the airplane's limitations or losing excessive altitude consistent with the airplane's performance capabilities. This should include reducing pitch attitude as necessary, reducing bank angle and adding power (no particular order implied!) to recover to missed approach or cruise configuration, airspeed and altitude. Some altitude loss is expected during the recovery, but re-establishment of controlled flight is paramount.
Note: Evaluation criteria for a recovery from an approach to stall should not mandate a predetermined value for altitude loss and should not mandate maintaining altitude during recovery. Valid evaluation criteria must take into account the multitude of external (such as density altitude) and internal variables (ie. airplane mass, drag configuration and powerplant response time) which affect the recovery altitude.
7. Demonstrates smooth, positive control during entry, approach to a stall, and recovery."

https://www.faa.gov/training_testing...ia/atp_pts.pdf

Originally Posted by deadstick35

Now we know where the Colgan training dept ended up. Let’s talk negative habit transfer. Jeez. What’s the procedure if you stall the airplane (not the sim) on short final? Hold Vref and that altitude?

10 some-odd years ago, Air Wisc was desperately short of CA’s and focused on that at the expense of FO training. The OP’s scenario is plausible.

On another point, and if I already asked you this I apologize, where did you pickup “Paladin?”

Originally Posted by prex8390

Ill agree with the orals part big time. You can have someone like GP and talk about motorcycles for 45 minutes and call it good or have CM and have a 4 hour oral.

Definitely massive differences in standards and check rides.

Originally Posted by UhOhItsTheFiveO

If the training is so difficult... what kind of advice would y'all sincerely give those trying to make the transition from CFI to 121 or a different job with no turbine experience? I have seen other forums where people mentioned digging into the Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual. Any other recommendations?

Originally Posted by prex8390

Don’t study ahead. Study what they give you. Don’t be the lone wolf who sits in his room at night. Make study groups and do the study guides together. Take your studies serious, about a few hours a night but also have fun on the weekends. Downtown ATW is hella fun. For sims, know your profiles to a T. Before you even show up to sims. Stone cold down. That will make life much easier.



Like a few people have said, tho it has been a few years since i was at AW, sounds like the training department is still kinda the same unfortunately. It’s pretty inconsistent with that you’ll get or expect. Some instructors just yap your ear off about his wife and how they met in the marines, others are super serious and grind you day in and day out. Overall just be prepared and know everything they give you. I’m sure GP’s “oral guide” is still floating around