Air Wisconsin Signs 5 Year CPA With United
02-27-2017, 05:15 PM
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Congrats to AWAC. This is great news for you guys.
So now there will be four UAL Express carriers based at IAD... TSA, C5, Mesa, and now AWAC. How does that work? I can't imagine UAL will keep four based there.
So now there will be four UAL Express carriers based at IAD... TSA, C5, Mesa, and now AWAC. How does that work? I can't imagine UAL will keep four based there.
02-27-2017, 06:01 PM
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Not what I was getting at at all. Just saying that those who aren't at a regional with a flow/hiring agreement are going to be left holding the bag when all of the new hire slots are spoken for.
Furthermore, this just puts more pressure on regionals like Mesa and Republic to give their pilots a more viable path to the majors.
Furthermore, this just puts more pressure on regionals like Mesa and Republic to give their pilots a more viable path to the majors.
You do know what flow and hiring agreements are for right?
The purpose of a flow/hiring agreement is not to staff the mainline, it's to keep the regional feed staffed.
The CPP that United offers is a trap to get people to go fly for their regional carriers so that they don't have to pay mainline wages to mainline pilots to fly the same routes.
The flow that American is offering to the WO carriers it has is exactly the same thing, just with stonger language.
The big three: United, Delta, American, will not have a problem filling classes for a long time, even if they have to start hiring at 1500hrs (not likely). But they are having issues getting their regional carriers to fill classes, and that problem is going to get worse. Hence the career path programs.
Personally, I think that those who are at a regional that does not offer a CPP/Flow/trap/retention-program are in a good spot right now, and it will likely get better and better for them. The only way it could be unfavorable to be at a regional that doesn't have CPP or Flow is if United decides to hire 75% of PDT's pilot group this year, 75% of PSA's pilot group next year, 40% of Envoy's pilot group the next year, and so on. But such an act wouldn't happen because then American would start siphoning away pilots from AWAC and SkyWest and an all-out war would begin between them.
Instead, a wise CFI with 1499.99 hours would expect there to be no-hire gentleman's agreements between the Legacy airlines in which they agree not to poach pilots from each other's feed, and he would therefore avoid any such airline that offers a CPP or flow type agreement.
02-27-2017, 07:04 PM
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You do know what flow and hiring agreements are for right?
The purpose of a flow/hiring agreement is not to staff the mainline, it's to keep the regional feed staffed.
The CPP that United offers is a trap to get people to go fly for their regional carriers so that they don't have to pay mainline wages to mainline pilots to fly the same routes.
The flow that American is offering to the WO carriers it has is exactly the same thing, just with stonger language.
The big three: United, Delta, American, will not have a problem filling classes for a long time, even if they have to start hiring at 1500hrs (not likely). But they are having issues getting their regional carriers to fill classes, and that problem is going to get worse. Hence the career path programs.
Personally, I think that those who are at a regional that does not offer a CPP/Flow/trap/retention-program are in a good spot right now, and it will likely get better and better for them. The only way it could be unfavorable to be at a regional that doesn't have CPP or Flow is if United decides to hire 75% of PDT's pilot group this year, 75% of PSA's pilot group next year, 40% of Envoy's pilot group the next year, and so on. But such an act wouldn't happen because then American would start siphoning away pilots from AWAC and SkyWest and an all-out war would begin between them.
Instead, a wise CFI with 1499.99 hours would expect there to be no-hire gentleman's agreements between the Legacy airlines in which they agree not to poach pilots from each other's feed, and he would therefore avoid any such airline that offers a CPP or flow type agreement.
02-27-2017, 07:51 PM
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You do know what flow and hiring agreements are for right?
The purpose of a flow/hiring agreement is not to staff the mainline, it's to keep the regional feed staffed.
The CPP that United offers is a trap to get people to go fly for their regional carriers so that they don't have to pay mainline wages to mainline pilots to fly the same routes.
The flow that American is offering to the WO carriers it has is exactly the same thing, just with stonger language.
The big three: United, Delta, American, will not have a problem filling classes for a long time, even if they have to start hiring at 1500hrs (not likely). But they are having issues getting their regional carriers to fill classes, and that problem is going to get worse. Hence the career path programs.
Personally, I think that those who are at a regional that does not offer a CPP/Flow/trap/retention-program are in a good spot right now, and it will likely get better and better for them. The only way it could be unfavorable to be at a regional that doesn't have CPP or Flow is if United decides to hire 75% of PDT's pilot group this year, 75% of PSA's pilot group next year, 40% of Envoy's pilot group the next year, and so on. But such an act wouldn't happen because then American would start siphoning away pilots from AWAC and SkyWest and an all-out war would begin between them.
Instead, a wise CFI with 1499.99 hours would expect there to be no-hire gentleman's agreements between the Legacy airlines in which they agree not to poach pilots from each other's feed, and he would therefore avoid any such airline that offers a CPP or flow type agreement.
Previous poster was right.
02-27-2017, 08:14 PM
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I agree. Please don't take my compliment as an insult to any other group. I'm simply saying I've met & known many AW guys and always found them to be tremendously friendly & professional. Happy to see some good news come their way after a long stressful year.
02-27-2017, 08:24 PM
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02-27-2017, 08:47 PM
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Great news! I'm happy for you folks. I spent many years here at RA getting dh'ed to and from assignments in the back of your jets and you've always treated me very well.
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